24 Oct 19
@dj2becker saidCall it how you see it.
I have never declared myself a winner of anything here. Seems lying just comes naturally for you.
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24 Oct 19
@kellyjay saidWhen you say 'nothing comes from nothing' who exactly are you arguing against?
Concerning what we know about the universe, it shows us nothing comes from nothing; therefore, if there were ever a time where there was only nothing, that would be it; nothing comes out of nothing.
We also see everything has a cause in this universe since that is true; the creation of this universe had to come from a cause outside of itself; it cannot create itself.
We can have C causes U, but we cannot have U causes U.
Please reference one poster who believes otherwise, that something came from nothing. - If you can't reference such a person, please stop tendering that position as if it were a position held by others.
24 Oct 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou a new forum admin?
When you say 'nothing comes from nothing' who exactly are you arguing against?
Please reference one poster who believes otherwise, that something came from nothing. - If you can't reference such a person, please stop tendering that position as if it were a position held by others.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidStephen Hawking says in his latest book The Grand Design that,
When you say 'nothing comes from nothing' who exactly are you arguing against?
Please reference one poster who believes otherwise, that something came from nothing. - If you can't reference such a person, please stop tendering that position as if it were a position held by others.
Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing.
Covering the bases, and thank you, but I don't require your permission to post about any topic, or take up any point! Unless you have acquired a new position here, and this is your opening statement all things must be run past you before posting, you post as you see fit and so will I.
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25 Oct 19
@fmf saidApparently, as it is not something I have heard any poster here claim.
So, this thread is about something the late Stephen Hawking said?
That of course doesn't stop Kelly repeatedly stating 'nothing comes from nothing' as if he has delivered a knockout comeback. I actually view it as a cowardly tactic, to argue against a strawman position rather than addressing what people here actually believe.
25 Oct 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI'm sorry this another admin rule of yours, I have hear something from another poster here before I can talk about it here!
Apparently, as it is not something I have heard any poster here claim.
That of course doesn't stop Kelly repeatedly stating 'nothing comes from nothing' as if he has delivered a knockout comeback. I actually view it as a cowardly tactic, to argue against a strawman position rather than addressing what people here actually believe.
@ghost-of-a-duke said"I accept that both of our truth statements can not be correct, so on the grounds of reasonable thought it has to be concluded that your own truth statement is erroneous. (Contrary as it is to everything we know about the universe)"
Apparently, as it is not something I have heard any poster here claim.
That of course doesn't stop Kelly repeatedly stating 'nothing comes from nothing' as if he has delivered a knockout comeback. I actually view it as a cowardly tactic, to argue against a strawman position rather than addressing what people here actually believe.
What can we know about the universe is what drew me to say the things I did. Simply laying down ground work that what we know before we can move on to other things.
What we know about the universe that is dated billions of years old so it had a beginning. If you know something else, bring your justification for it, if all you have are beliefs on what may have occurred than stating something like for what we know about the universe isn't really true now it is, it is what you think about the universe, not what you know.
25 Oct 19
@kellyjay saidSo people "know" that your take on what may have happened [re: the origin and/or age of the universe] is "true", while Ghost of a Duke's take on what may have happened is only "belief", is that right?
What we know about the universe that is dated billions of years old so it had a beginning. If you know something else, bring your justification for it, if all you have are beliefs on what may have occurred than stating something like for what we know about the universe isn't really true now it is, it is what you think about the universe, not what you know.
27 Oct 19
@ghost-of-a-duke said"When you say 'nothing comes from nothing' who exactly are you arguing against?"
When you say 'nothing comes from nothing' who exactly are you arguing against?
Please reference one poster who believes otherwise, that something came from nothing. - If you can't reference such a person, please stop tendering that position as if it were a position held by others.
I'd also like to point out I'm arguing for something, not against, I'm arguing for a beginning, a cause, a reason for being here that is not found in the universe itself.
27 Oct 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI'm willing to say that God is truth, and I'm also willing to say that the truth all of it everywhere at all times in every place with everyone under all conditions does not ever contradict itself in all time, places, with everyone. What is true, will be true for everyone, regardless if they accept it or not.
Do you accept that 'truth' (being what it is) could be that God does 'not' exist and that by asserting God 'does' exist you are yourself proffering a contradiction?
I’m reminded of C.S. Lewis's argument in "Mere Christianity" how we are always coming up with reasons for our bad behavior. We are aware of the truth, and we have make excuses for ourselves because of that awareness; if there weren't this awareness there would be no need.