18 Dec 12
Originally posted by FMFFMF, premature to jump the gun or presume to translate. There'll be time enough for the (excellent)
In Grampy Bobby's "in whom or what would you (and your family) place your confidence and trust?" question, the "confidence and trust" he mentions apparently relates to telling himself he will have eternal life. So we can translate the OP as "If there were no Christ, what other figure promising eternal life would you believe instead?" It's a very specific question, it seems.
gnawing question you've pondered and raise soon as we all get comfy within the harness of the OP.
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18 Dec 12
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWell there is no Christ... So I don't have to suppose anything.
[b]Let's say there is no Christ...
If so, then in whom or what would you (and your family) place your confidence and trust?[/b]
You need to be clearer (more specific and less abstract) about what you mean by "confidence and trust".
I don't know what YOU mean by those words.
But my first response is to say that I generally trust reality to continue being real... for a given value of trust.
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18 Dec 12
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIf you are asking "in what would you place absolute 100% trust and confidence?" (in which case you need
JS (you, too, Wolfgang59), drive a specific automobile in which you place your confidence; you dine upon your wife's cooking whose cooking you trust; you work for an organization or group in whose market reason for being, mission statement or cause you believe in. Nothing tentative. No weasel words like 'tend' to trust or other vague verbal gestures. OP ...[text shortened]... Christ in whom or what would you (and your family) place your confidence and trust? (gb)
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to be clear and say so)...
Then My answer is that I place absolute trust and confidence ONLY in that which can be logically proven.
Which limits such trust to mathematics.
No matter the laws of physics or the nature of reality... 2+2 will always = 4
However nothing in reality (other than it's existence) can be known with absolute certainty.
Reality can only be trusted probabilistically.
18 Dec 12
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWhat the "harness" is is made clear by your second post on the first page. No "jumping the gun" on my part: just my observation getting to the heart of what you're actually on about. It would seem your beliefs require shallow "comfy" thought games of this kind to sustain them.
FMF, premature to jump the gun or presume to translate. There'll be time enough for the (excellent)
gnawing question you've pondered and raise soon as we all get comfy within the harness of the OP.
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18 Dec 12
Originally posted by googlefudgeHe's referring people having "confidence in their eternal address". It's in his second post on page 1.
You need to be clearer (more specific and less abstract) about what you mean by "confidence and trust".
I don't know what YOU mean by those words.
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Originally posted by FMFI read it...
He's referring people having "confidence in their eternal address". It's in his second post on page 1.
There is (way) more than one way of interpreting it.
I choose not to assume anything and ask GB to clarify.
I don't have much hope for this as he seems next to incapable of writing a clear post,
and seems to get most of his ideas from fridge magnets, but I do still have some hope.
EDIT: And I do have confidence in my 'eternal' 'address'...
The 'address' is non-existence. And the confidence is 1-epsilon.
Where epsilon is really really really small. (to the point where it is really pointless to actually
try to quantify it.)
18 Dec 12
Originally posted by googlefudgeSome mathematics is imaginary. 😏
If you are asking "in what would you place absolute 100% trust and confidence?" (in which case you need
to be clear and say so)...
Then My answer is that I place absolute trust and confidence ONLY in that which can be logically proven.
Which limits such trust to mathematics.
No matter the laws of physics or the nature of reality... 2+2 will al ...[text shortened]... ence) can be known with absolute certainty.
Reality can only be trusted probabilistically.
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18 Dec 12
Originally posted by FMFYes. It's a bait and switch I should have trusted him to perpetrate. 😉
He's referring people having "confidence in their eternal address". It's in his second post on page 1.
I don't trust anyone, including me, to give me a permanent address anywhere. And I am fine with that. How's that, GB?
Originally posted by googlefudge"No matter the laws of physics or the nature of reality... 2+2 will always = 4"
If you are asking "in what would you place absolute 100% trust and confidence?" (in which case you need
to be clear and say so)...
Then My answer is that I place absolute trust and confidence ONLY in that which can be logically proven.
Which limits trust to mathematics.
No matter the laws of physics or the nature of reality... 2+2 will alway xistence) can be known with absolute certainty.
Reality can only be trusted probabilistically.
Untrue, depends on the nature of the axiom's dynamics and unit of measure.
RE: Two male rabbits plus two female rabbits may equal a million more rabbits.
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18 Dec 12
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyAnswered!
JS (you, too, Wolfgang59), drive a specific automobile in which you place your confidence; you dine upon your wife's cooking whose cooking you trust; you work for an organization or group in whose market reason for being, mission statement or cause you believe in. Nothing tentative. No weasel words like 'tend' to trust or other vague verbal gestures. OP ...[text shortened]... Christ in whom or what would you (and your family) place your confidence and trust? (gb)
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a specific automobile
my wife
etc.
18 Dec 12
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyEveryday I 'm dying, it's ok. My Maria is good too, everyday she 's shufflin; Greece goes down the drain, oh well.
Hey, you old man, how are things going for you and your family with all the troubles in the news? By the way, your email address stopped working a few months ago. For awhile, I figured maybe you died and went to the Sicilian Variations Chess Club up there in the third skies. Then I thought, Nah, guy's much too higly rated to be allowed in there. Hmm, I ...[text shortened]... or mentor for patzers like me. Let's have a nice game of chess early in the new year. (gb)
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All the way from Scheveningen to Najdorf still gives this patzer the creeps, it still takes me 20+ moves to manage to breathe normally; but it feels comfortable now.
A game would be fine
the Chessboard a creative utopia remains
linking every moment😵
18 Dec 12
Originally posted by shilohDidn't you hear? The Christ arose from the dead and ascended into the third heaven. He promised to one day return to rule the world from Jerusalem.
Myself...? "Christ" is only an human archtype anyway, like all the biblical characters. And I believe the correct word is "was" rather than "is," since IF Yeshua of David actually existed, he will have been dead now quite some time, yes?
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!