Live and let live

@fmf said
I am familiar with your point in this regard.

By contrast, as you know, my view is that

Christianity = what Christains are & do,

...rather than some laboratory/ivory towers/freeze-dried sonship-type version.

Self-identifying Christians who vote for Trump BECAUSE of what he is like = Christians = and so that's part of the reality of Christianity.

Fairly widespread ...[text shortened]...
So for "live and let live" what is the scriptural basis as far as you are concerned, Matthew 7:1-3?

Ok, Ok, from now on I will never vote for someone UNLESS they have never lied or sinned or have any flaws whatsoever.

So I guess I vote democrat from now on then.

@whodey said
Ok, Ok, from now on I will never vote for someone UNLESS they have never lied or sinned or have any flaws whatsoever.

So I guess I vote democrat from now on then.

You can vote for whoever you want. My point is, both you and Suzianne are part of what Christianity is nowadays in the real world.

@fmf said
Do unto others...

Love your neighbour as yourself...

Live and let live...

Is "Live and let live" a Christian principle in any sense and to any degree?

I don’t think the quote “Live and let live” is in the Christian Bible.

That particular quote has to do with minding one’s own business; a notion I was never taught as a Christian. Rather, the Bible and the Christian teachings I have considered all outlined how to be in others’ business, however apparently benevolent.

@hakima said
I don’t think the quote “Live and let live” is in the Christian Bible.

That particular quote has to do with minding one’s own business; a notion I was never taught as a Christian. Rather, the Bible and the Christian teachings I have considered all outlined how to be in others’ business, however apparently benevolent.

'Let each one live his life in the situation the Lord assigned....'

1 Corinthians 7:17

@ghost-of-a-duke said
'Let each one live his life in the situation the Lord assigned....'

1 Corinthians 7:17

Thank you! I’m curious about the version you quoted, because the KJV says it very differently—interpretations support agendas, which is likely why I struggle with assuming the veracity of biblical texts.

For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

@hakima said
Thank you! I’m curious about the version you quoted, because the KJV says it very differently—interpretations support agendas, which is likely why I struggle with assuming the veracity of biblical texts.

For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

Oh, I always quote from the Christian Standard Bible.

😀

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Oh, I always quote from the Christian Standard Bible.

😀

...and, I re-quoted from the wrong verse. Mea culpa☺️

The KJV verse is:

But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
~1 Corinthians 7:17

...referring to marriage, lifestyles, and spiritual gifts in the preceding verses. I think the KJV is obscure, and with intention for obscurity.

I think interpretation of Christian (and other religious) texts, speaks to the OP, which asks how the quotes presented inform Christian faith.

Varying translations and interpretation shape understanding, which have led many to seek out truth. At least, for myself, it led to a lifelong endeavor until I read words attributed to the Buddha Shayamuni, “Therefore, O Ananda, be ye lamps unto yourselves...”, thus, placing the responsibility for interpretation on myself through self reflection and practice.

For a universal seeker, such as myself quotes presented in the OP provide a useful standard for accessing and utilizing the “light in my lamp” because they help me remain focused on self-reflection, while emphasizing compassion and empathy for others.

@fmf said
Do unto others...

Love your neighbour as yourself...

Live and let live...

Is "Live and let live" a Christian principle in any sense and to any degree?

One of the strongest passages illustrating the 'live and let live' principle comes from Romans 2, where even those with no law [clearly implying they are without God ie no Law of Moses and no Law of Christ], are still going to be judged by God by the law by which they live and by their actions governed by their conscience.

@rajk999 said
One of the strongest passages illustrating the 'live and let live' principle comes from Romans 2, where even those with no law [clearly implying they are without God ie no Law of Moses and no Law of Christ], are still going to be judged by God by the law by which they live and by their actions governed by their conscience.

Interesting.

@fmf said
I am familiar with your point in this regard.

By contrast, as you know, my view is that

Christianity = what Christains are & do,

...rather than some laboratory/ivory towers/freeze-dried sonship-type version.

Self-identifying Christians who vote for Trump BECAUSE of what he is like = Christians = and so that's part of the reality of Christianity.

Fairly widespread ...[text shortened]...
So for "live and let live" what is the scriptural basis as far as you are concerned, Matthew 7:1-3?

No, actually, I cannot disagree more.

Christianity is NOT "what Christians are (or say) and do".

Christianity is following Jesus, and so Christianity is what Jesus was and said and did. That can be assumed from the word "Christianity". Regardless of what modern Christians are, or say, or do, Christianity is following Jesus. Period.

Self-identifying Christians who vote for Trump BECAUSE of "what he is like" are not Christians, because admiring Trump for who he is denies Jesus.

I would accept Matthew 7:1-3 as one part of what "live and let live" is about. Christianity is certainly not about dictating to varied peoples the minutia of their lives, no matter how many Christians would like it to be so.

@suzianne said
Self-identifying Christians who vote for Trump BECAUSE of "what he is like" are not Christians, because admiring Trump for who he is denies Jesus.

I think there are plenty of people who [1] believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God who sacrificed His life so that "sinners" could be "saved" [i.e. they are "Christians"] who have also [2] voted for politicians like Trump because he appoints conservative judges and cocks the snook at the political establishment and its institutions...

...Just as there are plenty of people who both believe [1] and also [3] vote for and endorse politicians who, for example, support abortion rights and do not condemn homosexuality.

I take people at their word if they self-identify as believers in Jesus, whether it be you, whodey, divegeester, SecondSon, sonship or KellyJay or Pence or Pelosi.

@suzianne said
Christianity is certainly not about dictating to varied peoples the minutia of their lives, no matter how many Christians would like it to be so.

And yet if some of these "varied people" disagree with you on certain political issues and admire a politician that you personally dislike, you insist they are "denying Jesus"?

@fmf said
And yet if some of these "varied people" disagree with you on certain political issues and admire a politician that you personally dislike, you insist they are "denying Jesus"?

You cannot seriously read everything written about Jesus and what he said, and still believe that Trump follows the same philosophy.

"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." - Matthew 6:24 KJV

@fmf said
I think there are plenty of people who [1] believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God who sacrificed His life so that "sinners" could be "saved" [i.e. they are "Christians"] who have also [2] voted for politicians like Trump because he appoints conservative judges and cocks the snook at the political establishment and its institutions...

...Just as there are plenty of people who ...[text shortened]... in Jesus, whether it be you, whodey, divegeester, SecondSon, sonship or KellyJay or Pence or Pelosi.

"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?" - Matthew 7:16 KJV

@suzianne said
You cannot seriously read everything written about Jesus and what he said, and still believe that Trump follows the same philosophy.

I can "seriously" believe people can admire and support Trump and still believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God who sacrificed His life so that "sinners" could be "saved".