01 Mar 15
Originally posted by KellyJayIt's simple really. When the child passes out of the womb the Darwin fairy swings by and waves her magic wand over the "fetus" thus making it human.
How do you prove something is living when someone does not want to
acknowledge it, or worse acknowledge it, but then says another's desires
is more important that that life? It is a moral value judgment, and it is the
hearts and minds of those debating where the real battle is. I don't care
who is in power and what the laws are on the books abortions will or will
not be done if those unborn are not valued.
01 Mar 15
Originally posted by KellyJayHas anyone claimed that a foetus is not living? This is the sort of strawman argument worthy of Whodey not you.
How do you prove something is living when someone does not want to
acknowledge it, or worse acknowledge it, but then says another's desires
is more important that that life?
The question is whether or not a foetus is worthy of moral consideration, not whether or not it is alive.
It is a moral value judgment, and it is the hearts and minds of those debating where the real battle is.
Well if you want to win the hearts and minds of your opponents, you need to love them rather than act like whodey.
Tell me how many 'hearts and minds' whodey has won during his years on this forum?
01 Mar 15
Originally posted by KellyJayA foetus is living; no sensible person disputes this. The question is whether or not we ought to protect it, and why. Of course you are free to believe that your god tells you to protect foetuses (not that the Bible commands it), but this is unlikely to convince people who do not share your ideas about the supernatural.
How do you prove something is living when someone does not want to
acknowledge it, or worse acknowledge it, but then says another's desires
is more important that that life? It is a moral value judgment, and it is the
hearts and minds of those debating where the real battle is. I don't care
who is in power and what the laws are on the books abortions will or will
not be done if those unborn are not valued.
01 Mar 15
Originally posted by KazetNagorraIt is rare I bother bringing up God in areas of opinion, since believing and
A foetus is living; no sensible person disputes this. The question is whether or not we ought to protect it, and why. Of course you are free to believe that your god tells you to protect foetuses (not that the Bible commands it), but this is unlikely to convince people who do not share your ideas about the supernatural.
not believing are equal. In this case it is when does the process of human
life begin and if has begun is it important? Eggs and sperm can both live
and die through out their natural lives and you will never see a human male
or female born, but after conception things change. It isn't a 100% a sure
thing, but the odds are now good a human male or female will show up.
So does it matter? If you believe human life should be protected yes, if you
do not care it doesn't matter if it is a human life or not.
01 Mar 15
Originally posted by KellyJayWhy do you believe "human life" ought to be protected?
It is rare I bother bringing up God in areas of opinion, since believing and
not believing are equal. In this case it is when does the process of human
life begin and if has begun is it important? Eggs and sperm can both live
and die through out their natural lives and you will never see a human male
or female born, but after conception things change. I ...[text shortened]... ife should be protected yes, if you
do not care it doesn't matter if it is a human life or not.
01 Mar 15
Originally posted by KellyJayEqual in what sense?
It is rare I bother bringing up God in areas of opinion, since believing and
not believing are equal.
In this case it is when does the process of human life begin and if has begun is it important?
Its the 'is it important' part that needs answering. Nobody disputes the process.
It isn't a 100% a sure thing, but the odds are now good a human male or female will show up.
It isn't even a 50% thing. In fact, I would not describe the odds as 'good'.
So does it matter? If you believe human life should be protected yes, if you
do not care it doesn't matter if it is a human life or not.
I for one do not care. In fact, I am quite happy with forms of birth control that stop fertilized eggs from attaching to the womb thus ending a human life roughly once a month per woman using it. As far as I know practically all forms of contraception result in fertilized eggs being lost.
Are you against contraception?
01 Mar 15
Originally posted by whodeyThere you go lying again. If you had a bit of love, you would at least find out what your enemies beliefs on the matter were before jumping in to the fight. Instead you go out of your way to lie and provoke.
I don't know what else to make of it.
Abortion proponents believe in the Darwin fairy.
Nobody believes in a Darwin fairy as you are very well aware. And the vast majority of people you are arguing against are Christians and believe in souls and stuff just like you do. They just have a different theology as to when the soul is imparted and how important it is with regards to things like murder.
01 Mar 15
Originally posted by RJHindsNo, we don't. I think we have a FAR better grip on this than the conservative Republicans, who do NOTHING that does not favor the top 1%. And the typical American redneck Republican who makes FAR less money than they do (I assume this includes you) supports their position for some completely unfathomable reason.
Liberal Democrats have a hard time telling evil lies from the truth. 😏
01 Mar 15
Originally posted by KazetNagorraThen surely you'd have NO problem spending at LEAST as much money feeding and sheltering the homeless in this country as you advocate spending on denying women the right to their own bodies?
Why do you believe "human life" ought to be protected?
Originally posted by KellyJay
I believe it is incredible on its face, and with my religious views
we are made in God's image.