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Lying - A social necessity?

Lying - A social necessity?

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Ghost of a Duke

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Originally posted by @fmf
No wonder you are languishing on this backwater forum. If you'd been a bit smarter or worked a bit harder, you could have been posting on a better message board than this.
Mumsnet?

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Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Friendships built on lies are not friendships at all.
True that. Like building a house on sand.

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Originally posted by @thinkofone
True that. Like building a house on sand.
Ay
"three little pigs " by Green Jelly tells a similar tale

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Originally posted by @fmf
No wonder you are languishing on this backwater forum. If you'd been a bit smarter or worked a bit harder, you could have been posting on a better message board than this.
Meanwhile, those "better message boards" presumably easily measure what you're on about and that's why you post here.

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Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Ay
"three little pigs " by Green Jelly tells a similar tale
Wikipedia:
"The song was ranked #35 on VH1's 40 Most Awesomely Bad Metal Songs...Ever."

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Originally posted by @suzianne
Wikipedia:
"The song was ranked #35 on VH1's 40 Most Awesomely Bad Metal Songs...Ever."
Yes. That song is an apt metaphor for our times

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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
'Lying lips are an abomination to the LORD, But those who deal faithfully are His delight.' (Proverbs 12:22)


It is my proposition that, socially speaking, the above biblical verse (and others like it) are offering poor advice, and that lying is necessary for the efficient running of society.

Now, I'm 'not' underplaying honesty and integrit ...[text shortened]... society not to grind to a halt. It makes us more efficient as a species and to get things done.
If someone asks me if I'm ok when I've had a crappy day. I'm not going to raise suspicion by saying nothing, or wear out their patience by telling them the truth - I'm just going to acknowledge the banal pleasantry for what it is and lie like I'm expected to.

We'll both walk away no less inconvenienced, and no less concerned for the other's well-being than we intended prior to the exchange.


The virtue of telling the truth depends on what is the subject, and who is going to hear it. Sometimes, even for less trivial subjects, for the greater good, certain people must be led to believe something that is not true (even though this may not often be the case).

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Originally posted by @agerg
If someone asks me if I'm ok when I've had a crappy day. I'm not going to raise suspicion by saying nothing, or wear out their patience by telling them the truth - I'm just going to acknowledge the banal pleasantry for what it is and lie like I'm expected to.

We'll both walk away no less inconvenienced, and no less concerned for the other's well-being tha ...[text shortened]... must be led to believe something that is not true (even though this may not often be the case).
Hey bro, hope u r well 🙂

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Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Hey bro, hope u r well 🙂
Ha, Hi Karoly ... and in the spirit of this thread ...

Nah, I'm rubbish, but acknowledging your heart-felt enquiry into my state of well-being, lemme tell you all about it - should only take up an hour or two of your valuable time to really get to the nub of it all

Ok, let's begin ... 😛

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Originally posted by @suzianne
Meanwhile, those "better message boards" presumably easily measure what you're on about and that's why you post here.
Whoosh.

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Originally posted by @agerg
Ha, Hi Karoly ... and in the spirit of this thread ...

Nah, I'm rubbish, but acknowledging your heart-felt enquiry into my state of well-being, lemme tell you all about it - should only take up an hour or two of your valuable time to really get to the nub of it all

Ok, let's begin ... 😛
Lol.

Hope the studies are going well.

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Originally posted by @fmf
Whoosh.
The sound of the word "meanwhile" passing over your head.

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If people could read minds, our civilization would collapse.

Yes, lying is a social necessity. But what sort of lies? Is there a scale?

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Originally posted by @apathist
If people could read minds, our civilization would collapse.

Yes, lying is a social necessity. But what sort of lies? Is there a scale?
Yes, there is a scale.

A lie becomes both socially and morally acceptable when it does more good than harm.

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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Yes, there is a scale.

A lie becomes both socially and morally acceptable when it does more good than harm.
In whose eyes? And what about unforeseen consequences of the lie?

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