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21 Mar 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Societies eyes. There is no God.
In whose eyes? And what about unforeseen consequences of the lie?
In it's simplest form, a lie is acceptable if it, say, prevents the loss of life. Any civilized society would uphold this notion.
21 Mar 18
Originally posted by @romans1009Our eyes.
In whose eyes? And what about unforeseen consequences of the lie?
Paralysis from analysis is a real thing. Don't over-think, I tell myself. Tomorrow is not certain, so I am responsible for here and now, and nothing more.
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Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeSociety’s eyes by what margin? A simple majority? Have you considered that what society thinks is acceptable in one time period may not be acceptable in another?
Societies eyes. There is no God.
In it's simplest form, a lie is acceptable if it, say, prevents the loss of life. Any civilized society would uphold this notion.
Of course God exists. And His existence is not dependent upon anyone believing in Him.
Preventing the loss of life is the litmus test? What if the lie prevents the loss of an individusl’s life in the immediate term but places more lives at risk in the longer term?
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Originally posted by @apathist<<Don't over-think, I tell myself. Tomorrow is not certain, so I am responsible for here and now, and nothing more.[/b]>>
Our eyes.
Paralysis from analysis is a real thing. Don't over-think, I tell myself. Tomorrow is not certain, so I am responsible for here and now, and nothing more.
That philosophy sounds familiar...
“Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.”
(Matthew 6:27-34)
21 Mar 18
Originally posted by @romans1009I'd expect an all-mighty all-knowing and all-loving GOD to do a better job.
... What if the lie prevents the loss of an individusl’s life in the immediate term but places more lives at risk in the longer term?
But that ship has sailed.
21 Mar 18
Originally posted by @romans1009...What if the lie prevents the loss of an individusl’s life in the immediate term but places more lives at risk in the longer term?Then your tri-omni god isn't in charge after all. We already knew that.
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Originally posted by @apathistMan has free will. You apparently want man to have the freedom of free will without also accepting the responsibility. So when man does something stupid due to his free will and faces unpleasant consequences, why just blame God!
Then your tri-omni god isn't in charge after all. We already knew that.
Originally posted by @romans1009Because God can stop a person from doing a bad thing without impinging on their free will.
Man has free will. You apparently want man to have the freedom of free will without also accepting the responsibility. So when man does something stupid due to his free will and faces unpleasant consequences, why just blame God!
Free will only involves making choices of your own volition. There is no guarantee that the desired outcome obtains.
Originally posted by @romans1009What? I said I'm responsible for here and now. As in, I am accountable for what I do. You disagree? I think you haven't thought this through. If I'm wrong, then I am NOT responsible for my actions. So who is?
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