The Beast from the Earth
Revelation 13:11...................www.biblegateway.com NASB
11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon. 12 He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life. 15 And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.
Manny
Originally posted by menace71Ok good scripture pasting but still does not identify who or what the beast is?
The Beast from the Earth
Revelation 13:11...................www.biblegateway.com NASB
11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon. 12 He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, who ...[text shortened]... he beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.
Manny
So who or what is the "beast"? One has to know this in order to understand all these events and players.
Originally posted by galveston75There are two beasts.
Ok good scripture pasting but still does not identify who or what the beast is?
So who or what is the "beast"? One has to know this in order to understand all these events and players.
http://jesussavessooncoming.blogspot.com/2012/11/walid-shoebat-islam-satan-allah-and.html
The Underachievers - "The Mahdi"
In Islamic eschatology, the Mahdi (English: Guided One) is the prophesied redeemer of Islam who will rule for seven, nine or nineteen years- (according to various interpretations) before the Day of Judgment, literally, the Day of Resurrection, and will rid the world of evil.
The Instructor
Originally posted by menace71"speculate"
I was not trying to ID the beast so much as to get clarification on the "Mark of the beast"
Manny
PS:better to let scripture speak for itself then have everyone speculate
Yes speculation does not identify the beast. How will not knowing who ar what this beast is help us? It can't. So....who is the beast? Is this not important for us to know?
If you tell a police officer the person was hit by a car, will the officer not want to know what kind of car or will he just be satisfied with "it was just a car" answer? No he will need to know the specifics, just as we need to know the specifics of this beast. What or who is this beast?
Originally posted by galveston75Okay, if that is what you believe, so be it. Basically, the idea is that the beast is the Kingdom of Islamic nations from which the future antiChrist, the Mahdi, will arise and the mark of the beast is presently domonstrated allegiance associated with the headbands and armbands that are worn by the militant muslims. When the mahdi takes over power, these headbands and armbands will be replaced with a required brand that shall be placed on the forehead or right arm, so that it can not be removed. This brand will consist of a portion of the same things that appear on these headbands and armbands today. That is, the crossed swords of Islam and the Arabic script that means "In The Name Of Allah" which has been translated in English as 666 or 616. Allah represents Satan, the one that has no son.
I DID look at the videos and they are so far off it's not even funny.
So now in your words, who or what is this beast?
The Instructor
Originally posted by RJHindsYou know Ron if you say you believe in the bible and feel you actually instruct from it, then stick to it and stop mixing up non biblical beliefs.
Okay, if that is what you believe, so be it. Basically, the idea is that the beast is the Kingdom of Islamic nations from which the future antiChrist, the Mahdi, will arise and the mark of the beast is presently domonstrated allegiance associated with the headbands and armbands that are worn by the militant muslims. When the mahdi takes over power, these h ...[text shortened]... in English as 666 or 616. Allah represents Satan, the one that has no son.
The Instructor
You cannot do that and ever expect to have God's direction on anything.
This is some mans mumbo jumbo opinion and instead of finding out from the Bible what this and other beliefs are, the real truth, you cannot figure them out because God is not letting you see it. That is why you have to go off in another direction, always searching until you find some nonsence theory that is not even close to the bible and then try to pass it off as coming from the Bible. Really? Are you serious?
Originally posted by galveston75Yes, actually in this case I am not joking. I am very serious. I also believe the time of Christ's return and the fulfilling of the prophecies of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is close at hand. I don't believe that Christ came spiritually in 1914 as you JWs teach. I believe He is coming so every eye shall see him. (Revelation 1:7)
You know Ron if you say you believe in the bible and feel you actually instruct from it, then stick to it and stop mixing up non biblical beliefs.
You cannot do that and ever expect to have God's direction on anything.
This is some mans mumbo jumbo opinion and instead of finding out from the Bible what this and other beliefs are, the real truth, you ...[text shortened]... ose to the bible and then try to pass it off as coming from the Bible. Really? Are you serious?
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