Meta-narrative

@kellyjay said
No, the scripture says that God comes to those that seek Him with all of their hearts
that is not my opinion; it is what the Word of God says, and that I believe over your
opinion of it

Yes I know you believe it. That is was the religious writings you subscribe to say. Your assertion that it is real/true, however, is your opinion.

@fmf said
You seem to be suggesting that your opinions are not subjective.

You are the one that claims all we can do is offer up our opinions on things we
cannot know anything for sure. It is all that we think, our musing, yet, you want to
make declarations about what others have said as if what you think is something
else, a declaration of truth, not just an opinion, all the while saying its all opinions,
not me. So flip your last statement that it is you, not me; I believe in a reality we can
know; it isn't just between our ears.

@fmf said
Yes I know you believe it. That is was the religious writings you subscribe to say. Your assertion that it is real/true, however, is your opinion.

So you say.

@kellyjay said
the reality of God fulfilling His Word is something I have
experienced and witnessed, His faithfulness isn't just an opinion; it is something I
have seen played out in my life through good and bad times.

I used to believe the same things as you about how I had "experienced and witnessed" "God fulfilling His Word". But these beliefs of yours, as they were for me, are articles of your faith and your faith is a set of opinions about the meaning, cause, implications of things around you.

@kellyjay said
You are the one that claims all we can do is offer up our opinions on things we
cannot know anything for sure. It is all that we think, our musing, yet, you want to
make declarations about what others have said as if what you think is something
else, a declaration of truth, not just an opinion, all the while saying its all opinions,
not me. So flip your last statement that it is you, not me; I believe in a reality we can
know; it isn't just between our ears.

We are both just sharing our opinions about these things. And our opinions, both yours and mine, come from - as you keep putting it - "between our ears".

@fmf said
We are both just sharing our opinions about these things. And our opinions, both yours and mine, come from - as you keep putting it - "between our ears".

There is truth from beginning, now, and what is to come. Truth does not oppose
itself by being in conflict with itself. Two opposing views can not both be true at
the same time. Mere opinions can be and you telling me it is all just our opinions
nothing more while declaring to me what I am saying is only an opinion is saying
what you are proclaiming is more than an opinion it is the truth. So your very
argument you are at odds with itself, it is akin to saying that there is no such thing
as truth as a truth statement, it opposes itself so it is a contradiction.

@kellyjay said
There is truth from beginning, now, and what is to come. Truth does not oppose
itself by being in conflict with itself. Two opposing views can not both be true at
the same time. Mere opinions can be and you telling me it is all just our opinions
nothing more while declaring to me what I am saying is only an opinion is saying
what you are proclaiming is more than an opini ...[text shortened]... t there is no such thing
as truth as a truth statement, it opposes itself so it is a contradiction.

None of this stuff you have typed about "the truth" changes your subjective opinions about it into objective facts.

There is no contradiction in what I am saying. We are both merely swapping personal opinions about supernatural notions. Both of us, KellyJay. Not just you.

@fmf said
None of this stuff you have typed about "the truth" changes your subjective opinions about it into objective facts.

There is no contradiction in what I am saying. We are both merely swapping personal opinions about supernatural notions. Both of us, KellyJay. Not just you.

I am not the one saying we can’t have truth only opinions while expressing my opinion about opinions, that would be you.

@kellyjay said
I am not the one saying we can’t have truth only opinions while expressing my opinion about opinions, that would be you.

It doesn't matter how many times you refer to your opinions about supernatural beings as "the truth", those opinions of yours are still just opinions.

@fmf said
It doesn't matter how many times you refer to your opinions about supernatural beings as "the truth", those opinions of yours are still just opinions.

You say supernatural as if you can tell the difference between what came about by natural means that is not here by something supernatural. As I pointed out the narrative that takes in everything from beginning to now would explain all of this, do you have something that can tell us where both the material and immaterial comes from? If you can offer no reason to accept a distinction between what you think is natural and supernatural you are complaining without cause, offering only opinions without reasoning.

@kellyjay said
You say supernatural as if you can tell the difference between what came about by natural means that is not here by something supernatural. As I pointed out the narrative that takes in everything from beginning to now would explain all of this, do you have something that can tell us where both the material and immaterial comes from? If you can offer no reason to accept a dis ...[text shortened]... atural and supernatural you are complaining without cause, offering only opinions without reasoning.

If you do not accept that there is a distinction between what you think is natural and supernatural, you are 100% entitled to hold that subjective opinion.

@kellyjay said
If you can offer no reason to accept a distinction between what you think is natural and supernatural you are complaining without cause, offering only opinions without reasoning.

Nothing is stopping you from sharing your GOD DID IT reasoning. But it is still just your opinion.

@fmf said
Nothing is stopping you from sharing your GOD DID IT reasoning. But it is still just your opinion.

Reasoning is something I can do with what I believe, you not so much.

@kellyjay said
Reasoning is something I can do with what I believe, you not so much.

I reckon I am OK at reasoning. You don't think so?

@fmf said
I reckon I am OK at reasoning. You don't think so?

Explain how everything came into being without some supernatural event. You
must account for the material and immaterial and how it all works together; if you
cannot, your complaints about the supernatural become meaningless.

The Meta-narrative is all truth; without it, you only pick and choose what you want
to talk about; nothing that comes from an opinion on one topic has agreed with
something different at any point; it is all disjointed, and it's all in the eye of each
different person.

While the universe and the truth, from history to physics, will all agree, as we seek
the truth in them, where we are wrong becomes apparent the more we know
through reason. If all you got is a truth by definition, I declare this is true, so it is;
that resides between your ears with no reasoning required, or truth, just you.