Meta-narrative

@kellyjay said
You
must account for the material and immaterial and how it all works together

No I don't. If you feel YOU must, then that's OK. Neither of us knows how the universe started. I acknowledge this; you don't. There is no onus on me to provide some specilation that competes with the speculation you have settled for.

@kellyjay said
The Meta-narrative is all truth; without it, you only pick and choose what you want
to talk about; nothing that comes from an opinion on one topic has agreed with
something different at any point; it is all disjointed, and it's all in the eye of each
different person.

All any of us can do is speculate about these things. You can assert that your favoured "meta-narrative is all truth" till you are blue in the face, and you can assert that your are NOT simply expressing your personal opinions till you are purple in the face, it makes no difference.

@fmf said
No I don't. If you feel YOU must, then that's OK. Neither of us knows how the universe started. I acknowledge this; you don't. There is no onus on me to provide some specilation that competes with the speculation you have settled for.

As I said reason versus definition one requires thought, and the other can be
thoughtless just say something is true and proof or evidence is not required.

@fmf said
All any of us can do is speculate about these things. You can assert that your favoured "meta-narrative is all truth" till you are blue in the face, and you can assert that your are NOT simply expressing your personal opinions till you are purple in the face, it makes no difference.

Except it isn't my opinion that is important, it is the topic under discussion, we can
say it doesn't matter, but that is a truth claim as well that may not be true. If it does
matter, if it can be known, if there are consequences to our musings, the bottom line
will not change because we don't want to think about it all.

@kellyjay said
Except it isn't my opinion that is important, it is the topic under discussion, we can
say it doesn't matter, but that is a truth claim as well that may not be true.

All you are offering is your opinion about "the topic under discussion".

@kellyjay said
If it does
matter, if it can be known, if there are consequences to our musings, the bottom line
will not change because we don't want to think about it all.

IF ... it does

IF... it can be known

IF... if there are consequences

Speculation

I have never said I "don't want to think about it". Don't be so disingenuous.

@kellyjay said
we can
say it doesn't matter, but that is a truth claim as well that may not be true.

You are entitled to your opinion as to whether what I am saying is true. What I am saying, after all, is only my opinion as to whether what you are saying is true.

@fmf said
All you are offering is your opinion about "the topic under discussion".

It is the truth that matters not who is saying what, we cannot say contradictory statements and it is okay everyone is right if consequences follow. Simply making an accretion if true means we need to pay attention to the consequences of that truth because it is valid, not who says it, that is irrelevant!

@kellyjay said
It is the truth that matters not who is saying what, we cannot say contradictory statements and it is okay everyone is right if consequences follow. Simply making an accretion if true means we need to pay attention to the consequences of that truth because it is valid, not who says it, that is irrelevant!

Your personal opinions about the "consequences" of not sharing your beliefs are pure speculation with a generous side order of narcissism.

@fmf said
Your personal opinions about the "consequences" of not sharing your beliefs are pure speculation with a generous side order of narcissism.

It is the truth under discussion and the consequences that follow that matter, not that I am saying it. You are simply moving a discussion about truth found in all things into a personal squabble.

@fmf said
You are entitled to your opinion as to whether what I am saying is true. What I am saying, after all, is only my opinion as to whether what you are saying is true.

Truth and opinion can be the same thing if what you think is true and accurate, but to deny that it can be known is simply false! That mindset denies the foundation of knowledge through science, logic, revelation.

@kellyjay said
It is the truth under discussion and the consequences that follow that matter, not that I am saying it.

You are discussing your speculation about the consequences of your personal opinions.

@kellyjay said
Truth and opinion can be the same thing if what you think is true and accurate, but to deny that it can be known is simply false!

Maybe you will "know" after you die. I don't think either of us will.

@kellyjay said
That mindset denies the foundation of knowledge through science, logic, revelation.

Go ahead and refer to your personal opinions about things as "the foundation of knowledge". It's your prerogative.

@kellyjay said
Truth and opinion can be the same thing if what you think is true and accurate, but to deny that it can be known is simply false! That mindset denies the foundation of knowledge through science, logic, revelation.

Let me write this with “Kellyjay” included.

Truth and KellyJay’s opinion can be the same thing if what kellyjay thinks is true and accurate, but to deny that what kellyjay thinks is true can be simply known as false!
That mindset denies the foundation of KellyJay’s knowledge through science, logic, revelation.