Muslim Murdered by Hindus for Allegedly Eating Beef in India

Originally posted by robbie carrobie

I told you I am uninterested in your propaganda, its meaningless drivel without a shred of substantiating evidence. You are such an over bearing pompous windbag that you think you can simply fabricate values and assign them to anyone you like regardless of actually having to substantiate then and here you are pontificating as if you have a rainbow emitting from your posterior in full radiance. I do not know how its possible to make you understand, but your opinions are twaddle, absolute and utter complete codswallop all mixed together with seaweedy bildgewater, Does that put it in perspective for you? Your claims have no more basis for them than the hot air which inflates them, do you understand, this is not an attempt at comedy, it really is the way you appear, They are empty and devoid, a nothingness.

All this text that you typed is just deflection and evasion.

Originally posted by FMF
[b]I told you I am uninterested in your propaganda, its meaningless drivel without a shred of substantiating evidence. You are such an over bearing pompous windbag that you think you can simply fabricate values and assign them to anyone you like regardless of actually having to substantiate then and here you are pontificating as if you have a rainbow emitting f ...[text shortened]... y and devoid, a nothingness.

All this text that you typed is just deflection and evasion.[/b]

on the contrary its what you are and the impression that you give, you IGNORED an entire text detailing why divorce rates are so low so don't give us any of your wash about being evasive.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I don't doubt that.

wow, so perhaps you can tell us why you think the divorce rates in India are so low?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No not really although i do recall that perhaps you mentioned it before.

Does this fact I highlighted change your view of marriage within Indian society in anyway?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
on the contrary its what you are and the impression that you give, you IGNORED an entire text detailing why divorce rates are so low so don't give us any of your wash about being evasive.

I am very familiar with why divorce rates are low in traditional, conservative cultures like India and Indonesia, and I've probably read or editted or translated 20x more academic papers, journal articles, dissertations and NGO reports related to this issue, and produced by people involved in trying to reduce domestic violence, than you have. I don't deny that the divorce rate is low in India.

But low divorce rates in places ~ like India ~ where too many marriages are violent abusive traps from which women cannot escape - due to cultural "perspectives" and due to the relative low status of those women and the social stigma they face if they were to become divorcees - are not something to extol when supposedly condemning violence against women.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Does this fact I highlighted change your view of marriage within Indian society in anyway?

Dude I am aware of what happens in Indian society, of what cultural values shape that behaviour. No it does not change my view because Indians/Pakistanis understand that marriage should be for life and the factor that you mention does not change this understanding.

Originally posted by FMF
I am very familiar with why divorce rates are low in traditional, conservative cultures like India and Indonesia, and I've probably read or editted or translated 20x more academic papers, journal articles, dissertations and NGO reports related to this issue, and produced by people involved in trying to reduce domestic violence, than you have. I don't deny that t ...[text shortened]... become divorcees - are not something to extol when supposedly condemning violence against women.

Yes I am sure you are a legend in your own lifetime as well.

On the contrary entering into a marriage with the viewpoint that its a commitment for life can and will be extolled whether you like it or not.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
On the contrary entering into a marriage with the viewpoint that its a commitment for life can and will be extolled whether you like it or not.

Well maybe, in certain cases, but surely if the notion of "commitment for life" in a marriage ~ in a given culture ~ were to result in women suffering ongoing physical abuse and feeling that there were no hope of escaping it, then it certainly ought not to be extolled.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes I am sure you are a legend in your own lifetime as well.

One could to try to picture you getting up on a stage with your Powerpoint presentation and a handout with some text you'd copy pasted from some blog or other, and you lecturing a room full of women ~ who are activists and/or victims in the movement to reduce domestic violence ~ on The Marriage Paradigm in Indian Culture. 😕

Originally posted by FMF
One could to try to picture you getting up on a stage with your Powerpoint presentation and a handout with some text you'd copy pasted from some blog or other, and you lecturing a room full of women ~ who are activists and/or victims in the movement to reduce domestic violence ~ on The Marriage Paradigm in Indian Culture. 😕

I am quite sure that any ladies would welcome an informative lecture on cultural values which advocate devotion and commitment.

Originally posted by FMF
Well maybe, in certain cases, but surely if the notion of "commitment for life" in a marriage ~ in a given culture ~ were to result in women suffering ongoing physical abuse and feeling that there were no hope of escaping it, then it certainly ought not to be extolled.

There is not a single iota of evidence that a commitment to marriage leads to violence and suffering.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am quite sure that any ladies would welcome an informative lecture on cultural values which advocate devotion and commitment.

Which of the rhetorical tricks/evasions that you've used in this 'discussion' would you leave out of your presentation, I wonder, for that room full of women ~ whose "devotion and commitment" in marriage for so many was met with fists and rape which, according to the evidence, form an endemic part of the social values in the country whose marital culture you single out and extol ~ so as not to be laughed off the stage?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
There is not a single iota of evidence that a commitment to marriage leads to violence and suffering.

But that isn't what I said. You're pretending to misunderstand what I said again. If this is one of your Powerpoint slides, ditch it.

Originally posted by FMF
Which of the rhetorical tricks/evasions that you've used in this 'discussion' would you leave out of your presentation, I wonder, for that room full of women ~ whose "devotion and commitment" in marriage for so many was met with fists and rape which, according to the evidence, form an endemic part of the social values in the country whose marital culture you single out and extol ~ so as not to be laughed off the stage?

Oh dear, I certainly would leave out loaded questions like this one and refrain from insulting their intelligence but inserting them into my presentation.

Originally posted by FMF
But that isn't what I said. You're pretending to misunderstand what I said again. If this is one of your Powerpoint slides, ditch it.

Thats the impression that you gave me