Originally posted by FMFHere is an article I think you should read if you are truly interested in the subject.
A "legal system [that] is rigged against women" is one of the "social and cultural reasons" for the low divorce rate in India.
http://indialawjournal.com/volume2/issue_2/article_by_priyanka.html
04 Oct 15
The post that was quoted here has been removedAnd once gain we have another westernized secular liberal telling us about proper etiquette for Indians and their wives. What makes you think that Indian culture and societal norms should be judged by your western secularism? Indians don't have a problem with divorce, its the west that has a problem with divorce with some countries giving marriage a mere fifty/fifty percent chance of survival. Perhaps it would have been simply more prudent to have asked the man why he has not introduced his wife, don't you think? but no, here is an excuse for us in the west top pontificate what are proper societal and cultural values on those poor Indians with their divorce rate running at a mere 1 percent, they simply cannot be doing it right!
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThanks. Yes, India has a culture in which it can be absolutely grotesque for married women. I am familiar with the phenomena at work. However, I really do think one of the salient questions on this thread has been whether or not you - with your unfunny facetious agenda - are truly interested in this subject and not whether I am.
Here is an article I think you should read if you are truly interested in the subject.
http://indialawjournal.com/volume2/issue_2/article_by_priyanka.html
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's true that Duchess64's lightweight and pompous anecdote adds nothing much to this discussion and nor does what he tries to extrapolate from it.
And once gain we have another westernized secular liberal telling us about proper etiquette for Indians and their wives. What makes you think that Indian culture and societal norms should be judged by your western secularism? Indians don't have a problem with divorce, its the west that has a problem with divorce with some countries giving marriage ...[text shortened]... dians with their divorce rate running at a mere 1 percent, they simply cannot be doing it right!
Originally posted by FMFI see perhaps you should have thought a little more before you inadvertently blurted out the above confession? For you see it betrays the fact that you are only really interested in making subjects personal rather than addressing the actual issue. Now we could call you out for your hypocrisy but to tell you the truth I really don't think you have much credibility left on these forums, everyone knows that you reduce every thread to a personal level because you are interested in anything but your own windbaggery and I should really thankyou for the above comment which crystallizes rather excellently your entire approach to these forums. Now why don't you run off and slobber somewhere else and let people who are interested in discussing a matter objectively do so without recourse to your incessant attempts to make every single thread you enter personal, there's a good droog.
Thanks. Yes, India has a culture in which it can be absolutely grotesque for married women. I am familiar with the phenomena at work. However, I really do think one of the salient questions on this thread has been whether or not [b]you - with your unfunny facetious agenda - are truly interested in this subject and not whether I am.[/b]
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI see perhaps you should have thought a little more before you inadvertently blurted out the above confession? For you see it betrays the fact that you are only really interested in making subjects personal rather than addressing the actual issue. Now we could call you out for your hypocrisy but to tell you the truth I really don't think you have much credibility left on these forums, everyone knows that you reduce every thread to a personal level because you are interested in anything but your own windbaggery and I should really thankyou for the above comment which crystallizes rather excellently your entire approach to these forums. Now why don't you run off and slobber somewhere else and let people who are interested in discussing a matter objectively do so without recourse to your incessant attempts to make every single thread you enter personal, there's a good droog.
I've touched a nerve. Obviously. It hasn't been a good thread for you.
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieCulturally acceptable is maybe a tad harsh. But a recent survey revealed that one third of men interviewed admitted to forcing a sexual act on their wives.
No one has stated that its culturally acceptable, where are you getting the idea from that its culturally acceptable, please provide your reference.
http://www.thehindu.com/data/statistics-on-marital-rape/article6586829.ece
Now I would like to discuss in an objective manner the following idea, which is a Christian one and alluded to in the link that I gave FMF for his continued education.
When a Christina enters a marriage it is with the understanding that once joined in marital union they no longer exercise authority over their own bodies, because they are not two, but one. Here is the principle upon which it is based.
The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. 1 Corinthians 7: 3-5 NIV
Now its my point that when one enters a marital union in full knowledge of the above and takes a vow to uphold these christian principles then consent has already been given to yield ones body to that of ones partner. The implications of this appear to me that no so called 'marital rape' can therefore take place, because consent to yield ones body has already been given, If anyone knows why this should not be the case then let it be known.
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by FMFOn the contrary thank you for your letting us know what truly interests you.
[b]I see perhaps you should have thought a little more before you inadvertently blurted out the above confession? For you see it betrays the fact that you are only really interested in making subjects personal rather than addressing the actual issue. Now we could call you out for your hypocrisy but to tell you the truth I really don't think you have much credi ...[text shortened]... re's a good droog.
I've touched a nerve. Obviously. It hasn't been a good thread for you.[/b]
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAre you saying Christianity justifies marital rape?
now I would like to discuss in an objective manner the following idea, which is a Christian one and alluded to in the link that I gave FMF for his continued education.
When a Christina enters a marriage it is with the understanding that once joined in marital union they no longer exercise authority over their own bodies, because they are not two ...[text shortened]... y has already been given, If anyone knows why this should not be the case then let it be known.
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAs long as we agree there is never any excuse for rape ~ never ~ neither inside marriage or outside it ~ under no circumstances ~ then we can agree.
now I would like to discuss in an objective manner the following idea, which is a Christian one and alluded to in the link that I gave FMF for his continued education.
When a Christina enters a marriage it is with the understanding that once joined in marital union they no longer exercise authority over their own bodies, because they are not two ...[text shortened]... y has already been given, If anyone knows why this should not be the case then let it be known.
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYour ideology and views are interesting to me in so far as our exchanges go here.
On the contrary thank you for your letting us know what truly interests you.
I’ve e-mailed a link to this thread to a friend I have who works at Komnas Perempuan (National Commission on Violence Against Women) so she can have a look at some of your rhetorical antics.
She has an internal blog with a kind of Private Eye-like ‘Pseuds’ Corner’ for stuff she finds on the net.
I imagine she’ll find a nugget or two of your chauvinistic silliness will fit the bill.
Originally posted by Proper KnobNo I think i have detailed my point clearly, can you tell us why if consent has already been given to yield ones body to ones partner how so called marital rape can take place, for i don't see how it can if consent has already been given to yield ones body to ones partner. It is not an attempt to justify anything, its a question for you that you need to answer.
Are you saying Christianity justifies marital rape?
04 Oct 15
Originally posted by FMFThankyou i am sure she will have better things to do than concern herself with me. Perhaps she may even engage in objective discussion, something that seems quite beyond you.
Your ideology and views are interesting to me in so far as our exchanges go here.
I’ve e-mailed a link to this thread to a friend I have who works at Komnas Perempuan (National Commission on Violence Against Women) so she can have a look at some of your rhetorical antics.
She has an internal blog with a kind of Private Eye-like ‘Pseuds’ Corner’ for stuff ...[text shortened]... net.
I imagine she’ll find a nugget or two of your chauvinistic silliness will fit the bill.