Of all the world's evils, lying is the least of them.

Originally posted by Badwater
I think you're lying. 😵

You bet😵

Originally posted by black beetle
For, now it's al plain to see: Jesus is a Sosialist big time, therefore I am a filthy liar who keeps up bubbling that he is not
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you are not a liar, but a man of integrity, you saw and judged that the sophomoric utterances of Rwigett in the Jesus is a socialist thread were supplanting truth and established quite clearly that the "truth" is nothing compared to a seemingly well-developed string of sophisms that everybody sees clearly is quite false!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
....that everybody sees clearly is quite false!

Since you are always convinced that everyone agrees with you and sees your logic as crystal clear, you must think that all the posts we make to the contrary are the most blatant lies.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Since you are always convinced that everyone agrees with you and sees your logic as crystal clear, you must think that all the posts we make to the contrary are the most blatant lies.

actually i was quoting a statement made in a private correspondence, which makes you're statement a rather ill informed one, please be careful when you comment, for it is ill advised to pass a judgment when we do not have all the facts.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
actually i was quoting a statement made in a private correspondence, which makes you're statement a rather ill informed one, please be careful when you comment, for it is ill advised to pass a judgment when we do not have all the facts.

Have a look again at my post and you will notice that I was not commenting on something you said in a private correspondence. I wasn't passing judgment either, I was merely pointing out your typical behavior should lead to the conclusion that you think us all to be liars.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you are not a liar, but a man of integrity, you saw and judged that the sophomoric utterances of Rwigett in the Jesus is a socialist thread were supplanting truth and established quite clearly that the "truth" is nothing compared to a seemingly well-developed string of sophisms that everybody sees clearly is quite false!

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Originally posted by twhitehead
Have a look again at my post and you will notice that I was not commenting on something you said in a private correspondence. I wasn't passing judgment either, I was merely pointing out your typical behavior should lead to the conclusion that you think us all to be liars.

och, yer bum! for a start no one ever agrees with me! my logic is practically never clear except to me, and lying is your business, nothing to do with me!

Originally posted by Rajk999
He has produced voluminous evidence from the Koran for the stoning of adulterers in other threads. He is very knowledgeable, he is not one of the extremists but he can explain where in the koran extremists get their support ..and its there.

i can produce voluminous evidence from the bible that people should be murdered for working on the sabbath and having affairs. and that the offspring of a criminal should pay for said crime until the 7th generation


most religious books have some contradiction. in the bible it says eye for an eye AND turn the other cheek and love thy enemies. people will choose what to follow. and religious fanatics who want to blow stuff up will find excuses.

just like americans found excuses for enslaving the blacks. or excuses for the inquisition. that still will not make a religion good or bad.

Originally posted by Rajk999
He has produced voluminous evidence from the Koran for the stoning of adulterers in other threads. He is very knowledgeable, he is not one of the extremists but he can explain where in the koran extremists get their support ..and its there.

I really got tired from your lies. Can't you ever stop lying for a minute, or it became in your blood.

1- To start with stoning can't be found in Koran, so your statement:

He has produced voluminous evidence from the Koran for the stoning of adulterers in other threads

is either another big lie, or another proof of your ignorant.

2- Stoning of adulterers is out of topic, in this thread, and the other thread, and every thread you talked about it. It is always out of topic when it comes you talk about it. Why you do so? I assume that you religion is so week that you can't support unless you attack Islam even with lies.

3- I never said that every adulterer should be stoned, and I never believed so. So again when you say:

Ahosyney. (and there are others)
Ask him if he supports the killing of adulterers and apostates as stated in the Koran.

You are lying. Because I don't support the killing of adulterers in general.

I believe that adultery is a major sin, and a crime, and muslim shouldn't commet it like any other crime, but like any other crime , there is a ristricted conditions to accuse someone with it, and there is a punishment, and according to those restricted conditions I believe:

If a man saw his wife doing sex with another man, he don't have the right to kill her, and she can't be accused by his own witness.

If a man saw his daughter doing sex with a man that she is not married to, he has no right to kill her, and she can't be stoned, or killed.

And I believe that young girls and boys can't be accused by adultery or stoned.

I don't believe that if a man kiss a woman they should be stoned,

I don't believe that if a man talked to a woman they should be stoned,

And I believe that a person can't accuse someone with adultery by himself, and this is a sin by itself, and a crime that requires a punishment.
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So in all the cases or examples you and your friend black bettle gave me in this thread, or in any other thread , like the Nigerian girls, I don't support these actions, and I believe those who killed these women are murderers.

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The only case I support stoning, is when the couple allow four people to see his part inside her part. And they allow them to identify their colors. Which I believe can't happen unless they are doing sex in public.

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lying is not only to say something that is not true, but also to say have of the truth as if it is the complete truth.

You can say that Ahosyney is savage, or say the rubbish you say about Islam in every post of you in this forum, but don't lie. You know why:

Because your Jesus said that liars are the sons of Satan:

(king James Version)(John)(Jn-43-44)(Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.)

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After that I will say, if you admit that you are a liar then I don't think I should take you seriously any more.

Originally posted by ahosyney
I really got tired from your lies. Can't you ever stop lying for a minute, or it became in your blood.

1- To start with stoning can't be found in Koran, so your statement:

[b]He has produced voluminous evidence from the Koran for the stoning of adulterers in other threads

is either another big lie, or another proof of your ignorant.

2- Ston mit that you are a liar then I don't think I should take you seriously any more.[/b]

"The only case I support stoning, is when the couple allow four people to see his part inside her part. And they allow them to identify their colors. Which I believe can't happen unless they are doing sex in public. "

this is what is bugging him. so if a woman is committing adultery, and the husband has the grand idea to go the the hotel or wherever the woman found another man (or woman) to love and bring 4 male muslim witnesses, stoning is permitted? are you serious? in this period of time, some people are still to be chopped or beaten to death with rocks? not even a freakin bullet to the head but a gruesome death where, if the stoners(pun intended coz you must be sky high on drugs or stupidity to kill a human being with stones) have bad aim, the victim will suffer severely of broken bones, internal bleeding before eventually dieing.

EDIT:Btw, you lied as well. He said you support stoning. You admitted in what cases you support stoning. point proven, don't you think?

what is your punishment for a girl that has a child out of wedlock? and is it true that for a girl to prove she was raped she needs 4 male muslim witnesses? is that a just law? girls will hide the fact they were raped, and even more funny, if the rape victim get a child, she will actually be thrown in jail because of that. is that just?

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
"The only case I support stoning, is when the couple allow four people to see his part inside her part. And they allow them to identify their colors. Which I believe can't happen unless they are doing sex in public. "

this is what is bugging him. so if a woman is committing adultery, and the husband has the grand idea to go the the hotel or wherever the rape victim get a child, she will actually be thrown in jail because of that. is that just?

This is not the topic we are discussing here. And I don't mind to discuss it as much as you want, but not here and now. We are here to discuss lying, and the use of lying.


EDIT:Btw, you lied as well. He said you support stoning. You admitted in what cases you support stoning. point proven, don't you think?

So if he said and I admit , that mean I'm lying. Can you tell me how this could be? What point that was proven? Did he ever present my opinion as I did present it here. No, and he will never will, because he is not fair and he is a liar. For example is your position to me is the same before or after reading my post. I don't know ? I will leave it to you.

I said he is lying not because he said I support stoning. I said he is lying because he said I used Quran to prove that, which is not true, and because he did hide the majority of my opinion to show me as mad person. Don't you think this is lying?
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what is your punishment for a girl that has a child out of wedlock?
Although this is out of topic, but I will answer you, to show the amount of lying spreading every where.

To accuse some one with adultery you need 4 witnesses. Pregnancy itself can't be a proof, because it could happen without intercourse. And it could happen without the girls free well. Saying so this girl can't be stoned or killed under the Islamic law.

Besides if she is not married she can't be stoned. The stoning may only be the punishment for married people given the required conditions.
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and is it true that for a girl to prove she was raped she needs 4 male muslim witnesses?

Raping is different from adultery. Although it might include sexual abuse, but it is under another crime called (Heraba). the crime is different and to accuse someone with it requires different conditions that I don't remember them all now. Saying that , the answer to your question is no,
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is that a just law?girls will hide the fact they were raped
That of course assumes the answer to the previous question is yes. Do you think is it a good idea to make judges before hearing my answer. I believe that is consequences of lying.
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and even more funny, if the rape victim get a child, she will actually be thrown in jail because of that. is that just?

I did answer that already, so this question is a pre-assumption based the lying spreading every where.

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I don't expect you or any one else to change his mind about Muslims being animals, or something like that, all what I hope of is to stop lying and then make your judgment.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
"The only case I support stoning, is when the couple allow four people to see his part inside her part. And they allow them to identify their colors. Which I believe can't happen unless they are doing sex in public. "

this is what is bugging him. so if a woman is committing adultery, and the husband has the grand idea to go the the hotel or wherever the ...[text shortened]... rape victim get a child, she will actually be thrown in jail because of that. is that just?

To continue, I didn't call him a liar only for that. Here is another big lie from the same thread "Jesus vs Mohammed",

Rajk99:

3. The term (Al-Ard Al-Muqaddasah, English: "Holy Land" is mentioned at least seven times in the Koran and they all mean Land of Palestine.

That is a lie, this term exists only once in Quran, and In that thread I'm the one who talked about that one time not him. And I asked him several times to show me the other six location and so far no answer.

Do you think this is a lie or not?

you said you are Christian, do you think Jesus will approve this type of actions even if all muslims are going to hell.

Originally posted by ahosyney
This is not the topic we are discussing here. And I don't mind to discuss it as much as you want, but not here and now. We are here to discuss lying, and the use of lying.


[b]EDIT:Btw, you lied as well. He said you support stoning. You admitted in what cases you support stoning. point proven, don't you think?

So if he said and I admit , that me ...[text shortened]... something like that, all what I hope of is to stop lying and then make your judgment.[/b]

oh then i misunderstood. you didn't say he was lying about you supporting the stoning. he was lying about you using the quran to support the stoning.

so basically you support stoning without the quran telling you so. is that true?

my position to you changed after i read YOUR post. Rajk made a comment, he was accused of lying, he made hateful remark towards muslims. i was prepared to give you a chance to explain before forming an opinion on you. you have clarified matters for me. stoning is the same as killing 3 year olds : there is no circumstance to justify it. in fact, i am thinking of a circumstance in which is acceptable to kill a 3 year old if for example he is stabbing you with a knife you are allowed to smack him to stop and if you accidentally kill him, it is justified if you have 1 or 2 stab wounds in your chest or stomach. but there is no justification in giving a stone to a person and making or allowing that person to hit a defenseless person with the declared intent of killing.


"I don't expect you or any one else to change his mind about Muslims being animals, or something like that, all what I hope of is to stop lying and then make your judgment."
i didn't say that. i said that stoning someone for finding love elsewhere is murder. i said that to put justice in the hands of the mob is barbaric and murder.
is it not your belief that allah will punish the sinful? so why is it necessary to punish them yourself? do you not have the concept of atoning for ones sins? how is one to atone if his brains are splattered all over the sidewalk?


on the topic at hand: lying is not the worst evil in the world. the truth can be evil as well. in this case, you telling the truth about supporting stoning under certain circumstances is evil. you should have lied and we would have thought you are a good, enlightened person.

Originally posted by ahosyney
To continue, I didn't call him a liar only for that. Here is another big lie from the same thread "Jesus vs Mohammed",

Rajk99:

[b]3. The term (Al-Ard Al-Muqaddasah, English: "Holy Land" is mentioned at least seven times in the Koran and they all mean Land of Palestine.

That is a lie, this term exists only once in Quran, and In that thread I'm ...[text shortened]... o you think Jesus will approve this type of actions even if all muslims are going to hell.[/b]

not all muslims are going to hell. only those that stone defenseless persons to death, those that kill their daughters to restore their "honor".

some muslims are going to heaven. and it won't matter if they called God Allah. they will simply feel stupid for not believing Jesus is the son of god. Or i will feel stupid when god says his name really is allah, mohammed was his prophet, and jesus is just working for him like mohammed. That is still open for debate. what is not open for debate is the fact that stoning someone to death is unchristian. and since you said that you never used the quran to justify stoning, i would say it is unmuslim too, wouldn't you agree?

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
... what is not open for debate is the fact that stoning someone to death is unchristian. and since you said that you never used the quran to justify stoning, i would say it is unmuslim too, wouldn't you agree?

Glad to see you guys have met ... 🙂

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudud

The punishment of adulterers under Islamic law is stoning. It is not mentioned in the Qur'an but "derives its authority from hadith literature references which are imputed by many," according to Kemal A. Faruki.[5] There are certain standards for proof that must be met in Islamic law for this punishment to apply. In the Shafii, Hanbali, Hanafi and the Shia law schools the stoning is imposed for the married adulterer and his partner only if the crime is proven, either by four male adults eyewitnessing the actual sexual intercourse at the same time, or by self-confession. In the Maliki school of law, however, evidence of pregnancy also constitutes sufficient proof..