02 Mar 12
Originally posted by stellspalfieYou don't seem to understand that since we are part of God's creation,
so because we failed one thing we have got what we deserved? id hate to see how you treat your children if you think gods actions are just.
as far as im aware the big picture is for some people to live in jerusalem with god for eternity, ruling. funny that god has these somewhat limited human type thoughts about how he wants to spend his time. for s ...[text shortened]... thanked for all the good in the world but never blamed for the bad. its either both or neither.
God judges us. We have no right to judge God. 😏
03 Mar 12
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Originally posted by VoidSpiritYes, an artist has that right to judge his own creation.
an artist is not qualified to judge his own creation.
You're scraping at the bottom of the skeptical barrel.
God has the position to judge His creation and to save His creation from being judged (should His love prompt Him to at least offer a reconcilation).
Besides, if you say God has not right to judge us then you take away your own major complaint. If He has no right to judge us then He has no right to interfere with our evil. So you cannot criticize Him for standing by for wrongdoing in one hand, and also say that He has no right to judge on the other hand.
If He has no right to judge then He is innocent of the wrong doing of anyone of His created beings. He has no right to say anything about it.
03 Mar 12
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Originally posted by RJHindsYet, the bible says that judgment is His "strange" work. This always struck me that it is strange that God should have to do any judging in His creation.
You don't seem to understand that since we are part of God's creation,
God judges us. We have no right to judge God. 😏
Isaiah 28:21 - "For Jehovah will rise as on Mount Perazim, He will be agitated as in the valley of Gibeon,
To do His deed, His strange deed, And to do His work, His most different work."
Circumstances have occured which call for God to have to perform an atypical work as a somewhat strange necessity - to judge. Presently, that is how that passage strikes.
Of course though His work is strange it is just nonetheless.
03 Mar 12
Originally posted by jaywillWell actually that scripture has a few fulfillments. But yes you are correct that it does refer to an action or actions that are unusual to God and to us as in an action to chanage the norm or Jehovah having to step in to correct a course of wrong.
Yet, the bible says that judgment is His [b]"strange" work. This always struck me that it is strange that God should have to do any judging in His creation.
Isaiah 28:21 - "For Jehovah will rise as on Mount Perazim, He will be agitated as in the valley of Gibeon,
To do His deed, His strange deed, And to do His work, His most different work. ...[text shortened]... s how that passage strikes.
Of course though His work is strange it is just nonetheless.
Two times that I found were when he allowed Jerusalim to be attacked and defeated. These were his people that he had always protected but then when they drew away from him and even did wicked things against him he allowed the destructive actions to happen to them.
Also when he caused the flood to happen and destroy the surface of the earth, that would have seemed unusual but a needed action none the less.
And then with the descriptions during Armegeddon in the bible in refering to the earth being cleanzed with fire and the destruction of all wickedness, that would be an unusual action or something out of the norm...
03 Mar 12
Originally posted by RJHindswell.....you believe in a hypothetical God so surely we can judge your hypothetical God.
Yes, the gods that are evil will be judged by Christ and us that belong to him.
But no man will judge God. 😏
P.S. You can judge all the hypothetical gods you wish.
04 Mar 12
Originally posted by jaywillyes, but i didn't say anything about not having a right to judge.
Yes, an artist has that right to judge his own creation.
You're scraping at the bottom of the skeptical barrel.
God has the position to judge His creation and to save His creation from being judged (should His love prompt Him to at least offer a reconcilation).
he judges his creation and saves his creation from being judged? you've just dived headfirst into the rocky shoals of absurdity.
Besides, if you say God has not right to judge us then you take away your own major complaint. If He has no right to judge us then He has no right to interfere with our evil.
i never said god has no right to judge. but back to your point, he doesn't do anything about the 'evil' anyways so your point is self-defeating.
So you cannot criticize Him for standing by for wrongdoing in one hand, and also say that He has no right to judge on the other hand.
indeed. in order to earn the qualification (not right!) to judge, he first has to prove himself a competent judge. sadly, biblegod has proven a very poor judge. and his own statements about his personal character disqualify him from ever becoming qualified as a judge (anger, jealousy, overinflated self worth, and so on).
If He has no right to judge then He is innocent of the wrong doing of anyone of His created beings. He has no right to say anything about it.
this reasoning is not logical. an artist can and is judged for his creations weather or not the artist personally has the right or qualification to judge. further, he can also be judged for his own actions. it doesn't matter what he personally has to say about it.
04 Mar 12
Originally posted by VoidSpiritYou are the one not qualified to be a judge because you do not understand
yes, but i didn't say anything about not having a right to judge.
You're scraping at the bottom of the skeptical barrel.
God has the position to judge His creation and to save His creation from being judged (should His love prompt Him to at least offer a reconcilation).
he judges his creation and saves his creation from bei ...[text shortened]... be judged for his own actions. it doesn't matter what he personally has to say about it.
any of the facts. You keeps spouting of nonsense, with no understanding.