@philokalia saidYou now appear to be trying to distance yourself from "Skeptics go too far by pretending that democracy is immutable and that everyone is just working for fair and transparent representation."
Alright, so do you think that the average person in 2014 believed that many elites were exploiting underage girls through Jeffrey Epstein and Ghyslaine Maxwell?
I think most people would have laughed at you for citing the various sources that brought forward this idea of Epstein and his mysterious island.
But a huge amount of people, including people like AOC who re ...[text shortened]... elections," he said[/quote]
https://www.wnd.com/2019/04/obama-in-2016-no-one-could-rig-elections/
04 Dec 19
@philokalia saidWhat a naive question. It "works" in different ways and to varying degrees of success in different places; it certainly is not immutable, and I don't know of anyone who thinks "that everyone is just working for fair and transparent representation".
Do you believe that democracy works?
04 Dec 19
@philokalia saidBy pretending that your subsequent spam bombs means the same as what I called you out for.
How so?
04 Dec 19
@fmf saidI don't understand your criticism.
What a naive question. It "works" in different ways and to varying degrees of success in different places; it certainly is not immutable, and I don't know of anyone who thinks "that everyone is just working for fair and transparent representation".
Do you suggest that most Americans and Britons believe the system is entirely rigged because of money or some such? Of course some believe that politicians are overly influenced by donations, but does anyone think that these offices are completely held by illegitimate actors?
04 Dec 19
@philokalia saidI'd say most of the "sceptics" you referred to more or less do. 60,000,000 Americans voted for Trump, in part, due to his rhetoric about "the system is entirely rigged" and in Washington DC political and public service offices are "held by illegitimate actors". Most people in the U.K. are pretty cynical and sceptical. Same in Australia. Same here in Indonesia.
Do you suggest that most Americans and Britons believe the system is entirely rigged because of money or some such? Of course some believe that politicians are overly influenced by donations, but does anyone think that these offices are completely held by illegitimate actors?
04 Dec 19
@philokalia saidPretty much, yes. That'd be the long and short of it.
Does the average Briton believe all the seats of his representatives only represent moneyed corporations and the likes who sponsor the politicians?
04 Dec 19
@fmf saidPhilokalia, you're not going to bother supporting your "very smart and great poster" by looking at page 14, and then the ludicrous interpretation of it he's offered, are you?
Look at the utter rubbish he has projected onto/extrapolated from the quote he offered on page 14. He's just making stuff up.
04 Dec 19
@fmf saidSo you would say most people actually believe in conspiracies, then? We are now no longer talking about skeptics.
I'd say most of the "sceptics" you referred to more or less do. 60,000,000 Americans voted for Trump, in part, due to his rhetoric about "the system is entirely rigged" and in Washington DC political and public service offices are "held by illegitimate actors". Most people in the U.K. are pretty cynical and sceptical. Same in Australia. Same here in Indonesia.
Things are shifting a bit.
That's OK.
Words can be confusing. Everyone defines things slightly differently and then it can be hard to keep track of the original discussion.
04 Dec 19
@fmf saidSo the average Briton could be thought of as not really believing in democracy.
Pretty much, yes. That'd be the long and short of it.
They believe that they live in some kind of oligarchy, right?
If democracy does not exist in Britain, then what chance do the poor Hong Kongers have? Different topic but food for thought.
Carbs for the mind!
04 Dec 19
@medullah saidThis is not completely wrong.
I knew last year that there had been arrangements behind the scenes and that the pope had been making visits towards the goal of creating/heading a one world religion. When I told my boss (Catholic) that the Pope had been courting Islam he wouldnt beleive it.
There was a document signed earlier this year between Islam, Christianity, Judaism and some other faiths (which I ...[text shortened]... hing that they could do is call upon their followers to lay down their arms and stop killing anyone.
I do not agree with the details, and some of this I cannot endorse...
But just look at the recent Pachamama scandals in the Vatican and the statements that the Pope has made about other denominations. He even recently said that it is a sin for the Catholics to try to convert the Orthodox, I believe, which to any pious Catholic is pretty ridiculous.
04 Dec 19
@medullah saidI am not sure what the conclsion to this is.
Indeed, there is treachory afoot. The papacy (load of stuff on the internet and speeches and clips on youtube) has been touting the United Nations as "Gods will on Earth", and over the last five years in particuar have themselves been advocating the one world government (you think they dont know the aganda?)
Most of the religious structures that i am awar of are top down, ...[text shortened]... e is only room under the new arrangement for 0.5 - 1 billion people. Quite an interesting conundrum.
Pope Francis is pro-EU and thus generally pro "NWO." He is also constantly accused of universalizing Catholicism too much by his own followers.
The final sentence I presume is talking about environemntalist takes that the world is only big enough for 500 million to 1 billion people.
I do not know what Act II to this is for Medullah, but this is nto entirely wrong, and I think many people who do not agree with me completely are smart, good people.
It's an interesting way to see things.
04 Dec 19
@philokalia saidNot really. Just non-naive and rather cynical analysis of the reality of retail politics. Which is not the same as the breathless, hysterical convoluted "conspiracies" claptrap that medullah has internalized and is reguritating. How are they going to kill 800,000 people a day for the next 20 years in accordance with 27-year-delayed implementation of the 1992 Earh Summit treaty and how will the Pope persuade or force all Muslims and Christians and Jews to worship Baal and to shag sheep? Yes, when I think of the jaded and often disappointed populations of non-immutable democracies, I am talking about "sceptics".
So you would say most people actually believe in conspiracies, then? We are now no longer talking about skeptics.