One World Religion

@medullah said
At the moment we have loads of religions. Just look at how many variations of Christianity there alone. So if you are going to have one world region you need a one world hymn sheet. Everyone would have to agree.

Like I said on P14, there would appear to be credence in the religious ruling classes being prepared to sacrifice parts of their faith to achieve this.

What I ...[text shortened]... these islands with the battle over the throne in the middle ages between protestants and Catholics.

Do we really have that many variant religions? Last time I checked the vast majority are based upon the God of the Bible.

It is interesting then that in Revelation it mentions a false prophet. That means that the one world religion will be based upon the God of the Bible is some form, that will misrepresent him in the end.

Just my opinion, I think the false prophet is Mohammad, especially because those that refuse the mark of the beast will be beheaded.

We are talking about billions of Muslims all over the world as the church seems to be waning around the world. It makes the most sense.

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Will this emergence of a one world government who are "running the show", controlling the flow of information, food, military and the accompanying "one world religion"...occur before or after the prophecy by Jesus that "nation will rise against nation"?

@medullah said
Morning SS (secondson) 😉

No sir. In fact I had to look it up to discover what it was.

I'm one of those people that don't believe that the truth is the sole possession of one denomination, and that if people stopped squabbling they might be able to learn from each other.

It's a bit akin to us all having a piece of the jigsaw puzzle, although in some cases more pi ...[text shortened]... his is why I take an interest in other people's perspective and like to know how they arrived at it.

Premillennialism isn't a denomination. It's a doctrinal position relative to the second coming of Christ. Like postmillennialism or Amillennialism.

The reason I asked is because when delineating the events prophesied of relative to the "last days", "end times" or "the end of the world, it's important to note when they occur.

It's easy to scramble them up. There are things that will happen during the seventieth week of Daniel, and things prior to that period. It can be a bit confusing.

For example: in Matthew 24, verse 2, Jesus said, "See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down."

That was prophetic of the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70a.d. by the Romans.

Verses 9-14 can be applied to our present age. In verse 14 Jesus says, " then shall the end come".

Verses 15 through the end of the chapter can be applied to that period know as Daniel's seventieth week.

If one is a "premillennialist" they believe the "church age" or the "dispensation of the age of grace" will end prior to the resumption of the prophetic calendar. (The seventieth week)

The "seventieth week" begins when "the fulness of the Gentiles be come in".

Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

There are a whole host of scripture references to sift through to get a clearer view of the sequence of events. I have by no means got it all nailed down.

And btw, thanks for your kind reply.

@secondson said
Premillennialism isn't a denomination. It's a doctrinal position relative to the second coming of Christ. Like postmillennialism or Amillennialism.

The reason I asked is because when delineating the events prophesied of relative to the "last days", "end times" or "the end of the world, it's important to note when they occur.

It's easy to scramble them up. There are th ...[text shortened]... through to get a clearer view of the sequence of events. I have by no means got it all nailed down.

At what point in your end-times ideology will Jesus' prophecy that "nation will rise against nation" occur?

@secondson said
Premillennialism isn't a denomination. It's a doctrinal position relative to the second coming of Christ. Like postmillennialism or Amillennialism.

The reason I asked is because when delineating the events prophesied of relative to the "last days", "end times" or "the end of the world, it's important to note when they occur.

It's easy to scramble them up. There are th ...[text shortened]... quence of events. I have by no means got it all nailed down.

And btw, thanks for your kind reply.

My pleasure - sorry that you had to explain it to me. 😉

@whodey said
Do we really have that many variant religions? Last time I checked the vast majority are based upon the God of the Bible.

It is interesting then that in Revelation it mentions a false prophet. That means that the one world religion will be based upon the God of the Bible is some form, that will misrepresent him in the end.

Just my opinion, I think the false prophet is ...[text shortened]... lims all over the world as the church seems to be waning around the world. It makes the most sense.

I'm very open to ideas that can be backed up.

If you look at this Whodey it kind of goes along with your thoughts?

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I'm quoting you. "Emergence" was your adjective not mine; if the answer to my question "depends" on what is meant by "emergence" then perhaps you can explain what do you mean by "emergence" in this context and thereby answer my question instead of evading it.

@divegeester said
I'm quoting you. "Emergence" was your adjective not mine; if the answer to my question "depends" on what is meant by "emergence" then perhaps you can explain what do you mean by "emergence" in this context and thereby answer my question instead of evading it.

Please don't think that I ever need to evade you (or anyone else).

If you read my conversation with FMF I have my own little issues where I have to re-clarify sometimes; that isn't the same. Changing an odd word unintentionally which may seem innocuous to you can send me around in a circle. Now lets play nicely.

At the moment there isn't a one world government but yes it is coming into focus as noted by your last four presidents excepting Tump (I could be wrong but I try no to listen to him) and two of our last three prime ministers. So you may not personally agree with that diagnosis, but that lot along with Henry Kissinger and at least one pope have said otherwise, and they are on the football field playing the game, not outside at the turnstiles tying to get in.

So to specifically address your points

1) Nation rising against nation etc was "the beginning of the pangs of distress". That was the staring point chronologically.

2) From that we have the emergence of the seven headed beast that was given authority over the world and make war (Rev 13) (political establishment). It comes after the pangs of distress begin.

3) Also in Revelation 13 we have reference to worshipping the beast. It is under that beast we see the formation of a one world religion, after the pangs of distress.

Now I have taken time to try and answer you specifically on the three points as I understand you want them addressed. if that doesn't do the job then we can have another go until you're happy .

@divegeester said
At what point in your end-times ideology will Jesus' prophecy that "nation will rise against nation" occur?

At this time, as it has been occurring for over a century.

But especially now since 1948 with Israel back in the land, which is a monumental fulfillment of prophecy.

Guess which one.

@medullah said
Please don't think that I ever need to evade you (or anyone else).

If you read my conversation with FMF I have my own little issues where I have to re-clarify sometimes; that isn't the same. Changing an odd word unintentionally which may seem innocuous to you can send me around in a circle. Now lets play nicely.

At the moment there isn't a one world government but ye ...[text shortened]... you want them addressed. if that doesn't do the job then we can have another go until you're happy .

Thanks for making an effort to “play nicely”. But you haven’t answered my question; you seem to have difficulty with direct questions.

Here it is again;

Will this emergence of a one world government who are "running the show", controlling the flow of information, food, military and the accompanying "one world religion"...occur before or after the prophecy by Jesus that "nation will rise against nation"?

@medullah said
My pleasure - sorry that you had to explain it to me. 😉

My pleasure. Any time.

@divegeester said
Thanks for making an effort to “play nicely”. But you haven’t answered my question; you seem to have difficulty with direct questions.

Here it is again;

Will this emergence of a one world government who are "running the show", controlling the flow of information, food, military and the accompanying "one world religion"...occur before or after the prophecy by Jesus that "nation will rise against nation"?

I did answer you. The first thing chronologically is how nation will rise against nation - the pangs of distress. This I told you.

The control of all the other stuff has gone on for years (as has wars) but is being progressively more concentrated with the passing of time. So it is in part during the rising of the nations against each other, but more acutely after that rising has started.

Everything else comes after including a one world religion; a one world government; and of course the infamous mark of the beast.

@medullah said
I did answer you. The first thing chronologically is how nation will rise against nation - the pangs of distress. This I told you.

The control of all the other stuff has gone on for years (as has wars) but is being progressively more concentrated with the passing of time. So it is in part during the rising of the nations against each other, but more acutely after that ris ...[text shortened]... ncluding a one world religion; a one world government; and of course the infamous mark of the beast.

Ok so the nations v nations, kingdoms v kingdoms rising against each other is the beginning of the end times, is that what you are saying?

If so, then when will this nation v nation period begin and all the pestilence and earthquakes etc...or has that already begun and is running in parallel with the rising of the one world government?