Online Disinhibition Effect

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
From Merriam Webster: "The definition and etymology of heathen overlap with those of pagan: both words denote “an unconverted member of a people or nation that does not acknowledge the God of the Bible."

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Put in context, a Christian would consider any organized religion outside of Judaism or Christianity to be pagan. Likewise, a muslim would consider me a pagan.

You are mistaken.

Muslims worship the same Abrahamic God as Jews and Christians, sharing much of the Old Testament.

And while the Jews rejected Jesus as a fraud and an imposter, He by contrast is the second most important prophet for Muslims whose triumphant return at the 'end times' is awaited - similar to Christians.

Christianity is much closer to Islam, theologically, than to Judaism.

"Pagans" were those polytheists who worshipped Roman, Greek and Norse gods etc.

Muslims see Christians and Jews as "People of the Book" and most certainly don't see them as "Pagans".

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Always amazes me when a Christian doesn't extend the same courtesy to other religious writings that they expect for their own scripture.

I don’t extend any courtesy to false religions. You’re right, but why it amazes you is puzzling.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Christ excluded all other gods and religions in His ministry. No follower of Christ would ever do anything to encourage others to meditate on pagan scriptures. It's not a matter of courtesy.

Amen, brother.

Originally posted by @fmf
You believe Islam is "pagan"?

Islam is a false religion.

Originally posted by @rajk999
And it goes on on these forums all the time. Church Christians are the biggest offenders for blatant false doctrines.

Sounds like psychological projection to me, amigo.

But you’re constantly changing and revising your doctrines so one can never be sure of where you stand.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
It that why you would be too ashamed to call yourself a Christian?

I call myself a follower of Christ.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
'Muslims and Christians must raise young people “to think and speak respectfully of other religions and their followers, and to avoid ridiculing or denigrating their convictions and practices”, Pope Francis has said.

In a personal message to the world’s Muslims to mark the end of Ramadan, the Pope said: “Turning to mutual respect in inter-religio ...[text shortened]...


http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2013/08/02/raise-the-young-to-respect-other-religions

You think Pope Francis is an authority on Christianity and the Bible?!

Didn’t he recently say hell does not exist and the theory of evolution is true?

He’s hardly an authority on the Bible and so much of what the Catholic church practices and promotes goes directly against the Bible.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Christ excluded all other gods and religions in His ministry. No follower of Christ would ever do anything to encourage others to meditate on pagan scriptures. It's not a matter of courtesy.

Who are these other sheep, which are not of the Jews, in your opinion:

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
(John 10:16 KJV)

Originally posted by @rajk999
I call myself a follower of Christ.

Then why don’t you obey His commandments? Where is your brotherly love? Why the constant hate spewing? Where’s your humility?

You tell others to obey the commandments of Christ and yet you ignore them.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Who are these other sheep, which are not of the Jews, in your opinion:

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
(John 10:16 KJV)

Gentiles. That’s been posted in the forum before.

Originally posted by @fmf
You are mistaken.

Muslims worship the same Abrahamic God as Jews and Christians, sharing much of the Old Testament.

And while the Jews rejected Jesus as a fraud and an imposter, He by contrast is the second most important prophet for Muslims whose triumphant return at the 'end times' is awaited - similar to Christians.

Christianity is much closer to I ...[text shortened]... s see Christians and Jews as "People of the Book" and most certainly don't see them as "Pagans".

You think Muslims and Jews worship the same God as Christians?

I guess Muslims and Jews believe Jesus Christ is God.

Stop the presses!

Originally posted by @fmf
You are mistaken.

No, I used the term from a Christian perspective. The definition is subjective. You, being an unbeliever, use the more traditional, worldly definition. No biggie.

Muslims worship the same Abrahamic God as Jews and Christians, sharing much of the Old Testament.
I expected this, coming from an unbeliever. Muslims hijacked the bible centuries after Christ gave His Earthly ministry. The Bible says God is our Father. The Quran explicitly denies it. If you're taking Muslims' word for it that they worship the same God, I assume you likewise consider Mormons to be Christians? Similar situation, the Mormon prophet just came a few centuries later.

Christianity is much closer to Islam, theologically, than to Judaism
That's just plain bizarre. Christianity expands on Judaism and embraces the entire OT as the Word of God. Islam has its own prophet and a completely different book. Muhammad considered Jews and Christians his enemies.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey

Muhammad considered Jews and Christians his enemies.

Muslims were commanded by Muhammad to protect Christians and Jews until the end of days and there exist 'numerous documents hand signed by Muhammad granting permanent protection to Christians and to their churches. These documents have been in existence since the original order given by Muhammad in 628 ACE.'

'These covenants order the followers of the Prophet, Blessings and Peace be upon him, to protect peaceful Christians, Jews, and other allied communities until the end of days. They order that the churches and synagogues and Holy Shrines equally must be protected. They declare that Christians and Jews are believers in one God who form an integral part of the Muslim Ummah or Community. They are not infidels or non-believers.'



(Pave the way foundation - Paving the way to peace by removing obstacles between the religions and initiating gestures of goodwill).

Originally posted by @rajk999
I call myself a follower of Christ.

And what is a Christian then if not a follower of Christ?

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Muslims were commanded by Muhammad to protect Christians and Jews until the end of days and there exist 'numerous documents hand signed by Muhammad granting permanent protection to Christians and to their churches. These documents have been in existence since the original order given by Muhammad in 628 ACE.'

'These covenants order the followers o ...[text shortened]... e way to peace by removing obstacles between the religions and initiating gestures of goodwill).

Note the caveats. These commands addressed not just the Christians and Jews, but all allied communities that were deemed "peaceful."

The quran is filled with passages from the very same author (and I use the term loosely since he was illiterate) commanding Muslims to hunt down, subdue, attack, torture, and kill Christians and Jews.