Only one option.....

Originally posted by twhitehead
That is obvious. The supernatural is by definition illogical. But illogical thinking only leads to illogical results which can not reasonably called 'truth'.

[b]Human right brain is well equipped with capability of a-logical thinking. Many thinkers like Aldous Huxley,Walt Whitman, Thomas De Quincey and numerous others experimented with drugs precisely ...[text shortened]... d with drugs as you type. Or does drug induced illogical thinking not work for Chess Forums?

That was a most unwelcome outburst of personal accusations that I have ever received on RHP. What makes you think that I was " loaded with drugs " when I typed my post ? I demand an apology. By the way a-logical thinking is not illogical thinking. It is what can be called thinking out of the box or lateral thinking or thinking using the capabilities of the right brain. What the old day seers tried or modern ewperimenters with thinking tried was this lateral approach to the supernatural.

Originally posted by Nicksten
[b]At religion, children should be taught about religion, every religion.
I don't like it but I do agree.

I on the other hand as a Christian would only accept teachings of Christianity to my children in school when it comes to religion. I will not allow lecturing on evolution and if it means moving my children to a school which supports this I will ...[text shortened]... atheists will react the same and not put any of their children in any type of religious school.[/b]

What about letting the evidence be presented to your children and them making up their own minds?

Originally posted by rvsakhadeo
That was a most unwelcome outburst of personal accusations that I have ever received on RHP. What makes you think that I was " loaded with drugs " when I typed my post ? I demand an apology.

If I offended you, then I sincerely apologize. I was not trying to offend you.
After all, you don't seem to have any problem with drugs as you told us:

Anything that gets humanity closer to the Ultimate Reality should be welcome.

What I was pointing out was that if drugs work when it comes to getting closer to the Ultimate Reality and thinking about the supernatural why would they not work when discussing the supernatural on a Chess forum?

By the way a-logical thinking is not illogical thinking. It is what can be called thinking out of the box or lateral thinking or thinking using the capabilities of the right brain.
Then why the name? a-logical surely implies 'not-logical'? The supernatural is quite definitely illogical and that is what you were saying a-logical thinking can be used for.

What the old day seers tried or modern ewperimenters with thinking tried was this lateral approach to the supernatural.
Thinking out side the box won't make the supernatural any more logical. It might fool people into thinking that they are making sense.

Originally posted by FMF
There aren't many things worse than "child abuse". What should be done about the "child abusers"?

When it comes to this - my mind goes crazy. I think physical and psychological child abusers must be locked away forever. There is no difference actually when it comes to a child been abused physically as this is also abused psychological in the end - I think.

Originally posted by Nicksten
There is no difference actually when it comes to a child been abused physically as this is also abused psychological in the end - I think.

So what should be done about these people you describe as being no different from physical "child abusers"?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Where do the countless religious people who accept the evidence for evolution fit into your scheme of things?

I have heard the same that religious people actually believe evolution. Yes, even some Christians do too. It is just too bad that especially Christians who do believe this, that they allowed such a lie to be planted in their head. How can such a person believe that God is some kind of monkey or even some kind of muddy soap? We were after all made in the image of God. What a conflict. Such a person (Christian) is a false prophet in my scheme of things. I cant really make a remark on other religions.

Originally posted by Nicksten
I have heard the same that religious people actually believe evolution. Yes, even some Christians do too. It is just too bad that especially Christians who do believe this, that they allowed such a lie to be planted in their head. How can such a person believe that God is some kind of monkey or even some kind of muddy soap? We were after all made in the ima ...[text shortened]... tian) is a false prophet in my scheme of things. I cant really make a remark on other religions.

There are many religious people and countless Christians who accept evolutionary theory. It's called theistic evolution -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution

I notice you didn't answer my question, why not let the evidence be presented to your children and let them make up their own minds?!

Originally posted by googlefudge
Firstly, you do not have to abandon religion to accept evolution, the majority of people who
accept evolution are not only religious but Christian.

Secondly, Atheists do not want children to not learn ABOUT religion, in fact atheists tend to
be firmly of the opinion that religions are important things to learn about, because otherwise
nothing in ...[text shortened]... e none.
You really need to apologise and retract this vile piece of bile you have uttered.

I will not apologize for my believe! To me, I am telling my child the truth and you can't do a thing
to prove me wrong. You basically feel the same thing but in a different way. There is a difference
in atheist having their children learned about religion with regards to what you have said (politics, history, art etc)
and actually having their children becoming religious people and believing in God.

Creationism is not science and science is not religion - we have agreed to this many times.
Science should be kept in science class and so does every subject be kept in its own class.
We all agree. However evolution is only accepted by people believing in evolution, thus to get
very darn technical on this, there should be your basic science classes and then there could be
a different science class where the lie of evolution can be taught to those who have nothing else
to do.

EDIT: Calling someone a child abuser is a serious accusation that you had better be able to back up.
It is a filthy and despicable thing to call someone without justification, and here, you have none.
You really need to apologise and retract this vile piece of bile you have uttered.
I feel the same about you!

Originally posted by Nicksten
I have heard the same that religious people actually believe evolution. Yes, even some Christians do too.

Actually more than half of all Christians belong to denominations that officially accept evolution. What their personal beliefs are may be harder to determine.

Originally posted by Nicksten
Science should be kept in science class and so does every subject be kept in its own class.
We all agree. However evolution is only accepted by people believing in evolution, thus to get
very darn technical on this, there should be your basic science classes and then there could be
a different science class where the lie of evolution can be taught to those who have nothing else
to do.

But physics is only accepted by people believing in physics and chemistry is only accepted by people believing in chemistry etc.
You for example do not accept most of the following branches of science:
Astronomy
Geology
Biology
Archaeology
Cosmology

Should they all also have separate classes?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Evolution isn't an alternative to religion. I learnt evolution in a Catholic school from a Catholic teacher. It is part of the school syllabus in country that is predominantly Christian (Zambia). Similarly in the US, it is part of the school syllabus even though a significant proportion of the US is Christian. Are you saying that all those in government a ...[text shortened]... ountries however still teach it, though which religion or religions varies from place to place.

Those governments that you talk about could be or could not be atheists, that is their own choice.

I strongly believe that if religion is banned from school, so should evolution be. As evolution is not religion, it will still play a big role in the end, making the children believe that out of absolute nothing everything was created. This yet can not be proved and they want this to be lectured to children. Evolution makes it VERY CLEAR that there was not a creator even though they do not literally have to say it.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
What about letting the evidence be presented to your children and them making up their own minds?

What evidence? Even I will believe in evolution if you have the evidence. I have said this many times on RHP. I am obviously very skeptical but am open minded. The thing you need to prove to make me change my mind is to prove to me that God not make the universe but that matter did. If by just showing me also how something from absolute nothing can be formed, I will believe, this includes abiogenesis.

Make me believe and then i will decide if I'd let someone show this to my child.

Originally posted by FMF
So what should be done about these people you describe as being no different from physical "child abusers"?

I already said so - what do you think?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
There are many religious people and countless Christians who accept evolutionary theory. It's called theistic evolution -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution

I notice you didn't answer my question, why not let the evidence be presented to your children and let them make up their own minds?!

I haven't actually heard about this before now really - let me have a read and get back to you...

Originally posted by Nicksten
What evidence? Even I will believe in evolution if you have the evidence. I have said this many times on RHP. I am obviously very skeptical but am open minded. The thing you need to prove to make me change my mind is to prove to me that God not make the universe but that matter did. If by just showing me also how something from absolute nothing can be forme ...[text shortened]... biogenesis.

Make me believe and then i will decide if I'd let someone show this to my child.

The explanation for the diversification of life on this planet ie, evolution, does not depend on the big bang or abiogenesis.

Have you ever read a book about evolution written by an evolutionary biologist?