Spirituality
10 Feb 19
10 Feb 19
@fmf saidOf course, and the only way to avoid that is to not do what you suggested. You don't line up the question to get the answer you want to see. Neither is it helpful to just second guess motivations in conversations when you know we each have bias. I don't have to know why you are doing something in order to have a conversation with you so I pelt you for your reasonings. I can assume you are speaking from your bias about things you think are true, as you should me.
Don't we both have "bias"?
I am biased towards the video clip I posted and you are biased towards the video clip you posted.
Then the conversation can be about the topic not the person you are speaking to.
10 Feb 19
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@KellyJay
Here's a question. If the universe is only a few thousand years old, if the Biblical flood story is a real event, if humanity did derive from Adam and Eve, if life was created and didn't evolve. How has humanity got it so spectacularly wrong? And i mean spectacularly wrong. For your worldview to have happened, that would mean mankinds understanding of almost everything is wrong and has been for a few centuries. How come?
@proper-knob saidHow come? Because they were not right!
@KellyJay
Here's a question. If the universe is only a few thousand years old, if the Biblical flood story is a real event, if humanity did derive from Adam and Eve, if life was created and didn't evolve. How has humanity got it so spectacularly wrong? And i mean spectacularly wrong. For your worldview to have happened, that would mean mankinds understanding of almost everything is wrong and has been for a few centuries. How come?
I'm not concern with the age of the earth, as I have repeatedly said I believe it to be a few thousand years old, but I can be spectacularly wrong about that, and it doesn’t change anything. If we find that it is a few thousand years old, it would change things for those that feel the only way for this all to occur is due to long time periods, their whole world view would collapse. The thing is nothing can be proven there on the distant past outside of saying why we believe what we do which isn't compelling to alter another's opinion.
We can acknowledge where we may be wrong, where the possibility is real. Yet, where the real danger is, is when we think we are completely right in some area, and there build on that. Age would be one of those things, more time, if it isn't really there, then everyone who base their world views upon large amounts of time are totally wrong about so many things it isn't funny.
The up side of this is, not everything would be wrong, wrong would only concern conclusions about the distant past in how it affects the present. What we see in the here and now and deal with those things would still be true.
Short answer to your question, because they don't want it acknowledge the possibility. Even talking about this stuff gets some feathers ruffled and accusations start flying.
10 Feb 19
@kellyjay saidAren't you just after having said: "You may remember him and I talking about it, that's about it, your bias is showing"? And now you are lecturing me? I agreed with twhitehead; how is that off-topic? And what does "that's about it" even mean?
Then the conversation can be about the topic not the person you are speaking to.
10 Feb 19
@kellyjay saidBut don't we both have "bias"?
Of course, and the only way to avoid that is to not do what you suggested. You don't line up the question to get the answer you want to see. Neither is it helpful to just second guess motivations in conversations when you know we each have bias. I don't have to know why you are doing something in order to have a conversation with you so I pelt you for your reasonings. I can assume you are speaking from your bias about things you think are true, as you should me.
10 Feb 19
@kellyjay saidSurely being "spectacularly wrong" about the age of the Earth changes your credibility as a 'thinker' and 'commentator' on the issue of the age of the Earth? How can you possibly believe it "doesn’t change anything"?
I'm not concern with the age of the earth, as I have repeatedly said I believe it to be a few thousand years old, but I can be spectacularly wrong about that, and it doesn’t change anything.
10 Feb 19
@fmf saidThe distant past isn't something we can just pop back into to know we are right using all the tests at our disposal. Where my arguments come from have nothing to do with time, they are can these things happen given all the time you want or say you need. If the answer is no, having less or more time doesn't matter.
Surely being "spectacularly wrong" about the age of the Earth changes your credibility as a 'thinker' and 'commentator' on the issue of the age of the Earth? How can you possibly believe it "doesn’t change anything"?
10 Feb 19
@kellyjay saidHow can you possibly believe that you being spectacularly wrong about the age of the Earth - maybe by a factor of 750,000 "doesn’t change anything" in a conversation about such things?
The distant past isn't something we can just pop back into to know we are right using all the tests at our disposal. Where my arguments come from have nothing to do with time, they are can these things happen given all the time you want or say you need. If the answer is no, having less or more time doesn't matter.
10 Feb 19
@kellyjay saidSo, you have your clip and I have my clip. You find something staggering - for the reasons laid out in your clip - and I don't - for the reasons laid out in my clip. You are actively looking for stuff to confirm your religious belief that processes were "directed" and I am not actively looking for such a thing. If there is a god or gods, unless it or they reveal themselves and their instructions to mankind, what does it matter? Although, I know it matters to you because for you it's all bound up with your aspirations to have everlasting life.
Did you read what I posted? Of course we do.
10 Feb 19
@fmf saidLOL
So, you have your clip and I have my clip. You find something staggering - for the reasons laid out in your clip - and I don't - for the reasons laid out in my clip. You are actively looking for stuff to confirm your religious belief that processes were "directed" and I am not actively looking for such a thing. If there is a god or gods, unless it or they reveal themselves and th ...[text shortened]... it matters to you because for you it's all bound up with your aspirations to have everlasting life.