02 Sep 09
Originally posted by Lord SharkAh! there you are.My lord! May peace an harmony prevail in your life. Sorry that my posts are not convincing. Stay tuned for the next chapter of ET. 101. (or not...)
karoly aczel
You said:
"4.I have invited Lord Shark to look into that book. Aparently all he got was some reviews,and on that evidence alone had declared it 'bunkum'. Can you see why it is so hard for me to present evidence? "
As I explained at the time, I asked for evidence and you did not supply any. Instead you supplied a book title. I look ...[text shortened]... you have in my view been beguiled by science fiction masquerading as prophesy and truth.
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02 Sep 09
Originally posted by karoly aczel
Ah! there you are.My lord! May peace an harmony prevail in your life.
Likewise.
Sorry that my posts are not convincing.
The really interesting question from my point of view is: how does the process whereby something eventually seems convincing differ between us?
02 Sep 09
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Originally posted by Lord SharkI reckon its got to do with personal experience. I really dont expect anyone to believe anything just from a book...
Originally posted by karoly aczel
[b]Ah! there you are.My lord! May peace an harmony prevail in your life.
Likewise.
Sorry that my posts are not convincing.
The really interesting question from my point of view is: how does the process whereby something eventually seems convincing differ between us?[/b]
I haven't given up much evidence,I know , however I have trid varied appraoches. I've mentioned greys,crop-circles, telepathy, ufo's, interdimensionality. Just to name a handful.
I haven't even come to Whitley Streiber, Al Hyneck or Budd Hopkins yet.
So I will get around to posting some more on E.t. 101 and forge ahead in my isloated postion here amomgst the rhp community.
Like Streiber said,"...But I am not asking that my stories be taken as fact.I am asking, as an honest man, that the effort I am making to relate waht appear to me to be real memories not simply be rejected out of hand."
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03 Sep 09
Originally posted by karoly aczelWell it might partly have to do with personal experience, but I would guess that you have only experienced a tiny fraction of the kinds of things mentioned, is that right?
I reckon its got to do with personal experience. I really dont expect anyone to believe anything just from a book...
I haven't given up much evidence,I know , however I have trid varied appraoches. I've mentioned greys,crop-circles, telepathy, ufo's, interdimensionality. Just to name a handful.
I haven't even come to Whitley Streiber, Al Hyneck or Bu ...[text shortened]... aking to relate waht appear to me to be real memories not simply be rejected out of hand."
03 Sep 09
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Originally posted by Lord SharkI saw a ufo once. Yeah , sure I've seen some night lights and they could've been anything but...
Well it might partly have to do with personal experience, but I would guess that you have only experienced a tiny fraction of the kinds of things mentioned, is that right?
One time I was meditating wih my eyes at half-mast. At the moment I chose to open my eyes I saw a ufo come from a speck in the distance to about 200 ft in front of me and just hover there. (I was on a hill,about 400feet high, so the ufo was probably about 350-400 feet in the air.It was dead level with me) . It came from a speck to right in front of me in about 1/4 of a second and 'stopped on a dime' . It hovered in front of me for about 1second(at the most), then took off vertically at the came incredible speed. As it took off I felt a sensation of energy rise through my body(chakras) to match the ufos relative position.
I have already mentioned my telapathic experiences.
I've never seen any physical aliens.
I have had numerous interdimensional-type experiences triggered by certain books , or drugs, or just nothing in particurlar,,(I'm just having a normal day and the next thing you know the walls are falling away and there is a 'strange presence' there....)
These are core irrefutable experiences in my experience. There are others , but are hard to describe. So I wouldn't say 'TINY' fraction , but a fraction, yes.
(remember I had no et literature b4 these experiences. I started collecting books after this stuff)
03 Sep 09
Originally posted by karoly aczelBut you have no experience with crop circles do you? So either you believe they are created by aliens for irrational reasons or you should be able to provide evidence that someone else can use to equally rationally come to the same conclusions that you did.
I reckon its got to do with personal experience.
I've mentioned greys,crop-circles, telepathy, ufo's, interdimensionality. Just to name a handful.
03 Sep 09
Originally posted by karoly aczelThose experiences are clearly not irrefutable. All of them can quite easily be explained as psychological phenomena. In fact, that would be the best explanation for some of them.
I have already mentioned my telapathic experiences.
I've never seen any physical aliens.
I have had numerous interdimensional-type experiences triggered by certain books , or drugs, or just nothing in particurlar,,(I'm just having a normal day and the next thing you know the walls are falling away and there is a 'strange presence' there....)
These are core irrefutable experiences in my experience.
For example, most people who take drugs that have a brain altering effect experience something. But those experiences can be quite different from person to person. This strongly indicates that the experiences are not real but are a result of the drugs affecting the brain.
The alternative explanation that you are holding on to - that they are interdimensional-type experiences has some unanswered questions. For example, why would taking drugs cause an interdimensional-type experience? Do drugs change the dimensions?
Also, your interpretation of your experiences as having anything to do with dimensions is clearly nothing to do with direct experience but rather totally dependent on information you have picked up from books. If you had not read those books you would interpret them differently. That is why no Zambian I have ever met has experiences with aliens, they instead experience similar things but interpret them differently.
You need to learn to separate your experience from your biased interpretation and separate both of those from stuff you have simply heard or been told like crop circles.
03 Sep 09
Originally posted by twhiteheadI reckon some crop -circles are created by people and others are created by some unnown 'energies'.
But you have no experience with crop circles do you? So either you believe they are created by aliens for irrational reasons or you should be able to provide evidence that someone else can use to equally rationally come to the same conclusions that you did.
03 Sep 09
Originally posted by twhiteheadFroget the drugs for a minute Whitey. What about a certain experience I had where I was ,and had been totally str8 for months, and the walls just fell way and I found myself in a different dimension? Please come along and concoct a scenario that would have explained that particurlar experience. Why do you seem so sure that you know what is going on in my life, when you dont even really know me? (Are you a closet christian?)
Those experiences are clearly [b]not irrefutable. All of them can quite easily be explained as psychological phenomena. In fact, that would be the best explanation for some of them.
For example, most people who take drugs that have a brain altering effect experience something. But those experiences can be quite different from person to person. This s ...[text shortened]... tion and separate both of those from stuff you have simply heard or been told like crop circles.[/b]
03 Sep 09
Originally posted by karoly aczelThat some are created by people is undeniable as some people have admitted doing so and probably even kept detailed enough records to more or less prove it.
I reckon some crop -circles are created by people and others are created by some unnown 'energies'.
That others are created by some unknown energies is another matter. Do you have good reasons for that belief? If so, what are they. You have already admitted that it is not 'personal experience' so you must have come to that conclusion by some sort of deduction process. Or do you simply believe it because you want it to be true?
03 Sep 09
Originally posted by karoly aczelWhat would being a closet Christian have to do with anything? Would a closet Christian 'know you'? Or do closet Christians pretend to know you? I don't get the connection.
Froget the drugs for a minute Whitey. What about a certain experience I had where I was ,and had been totally str8 for months, and the walls just fell way and I found myself in a different dimension? Please come along and concoct a scenario that would have explained that particurlar experience. Why do you seem so sure that you know what is going on in my life, when you dont even really know me? (Are you a closet christian?)
Clearly you have heard of schizophrenia, so you know perfectly well that various psychological experiences can happen without being the direct effect of drugs. It is however well known that such effects are more likely in people who have a history of taking mind altering drugs - which you more or less admit to, though you haven't said weather they are for medical reasons or recreational.
To claim you 'found yourself in a different dimension' merely shows that you don't really know what a dimension is, and use the word to describe an experience you have no better way of describing. So does it prove the existence of extra-dimensions? No, it merely shows that you experienced something you couldn't explain. The mistake you are making is to then add on what you have read in books and think that your experience validates what you read. As I already pointed out, a Zambian who has read different books would come to very different conclusions. Many of the Zambians I know would attribute it to witchcraft and assume one of their relatives is out to get them.
If your deduction process is valid then you should be able to explain your process and anyone else experienceing the same thing should be able to come to the same conclusion. I do not think that is the case.
03 Sep 09
Originally posted by karoly aczelThe fact is that humans could have made them. To say that it would be difficult for humans to make them is a poor argument. Even if it was really hard for humans to make them - which I doubt - it would still be a more reasonable explanation than some other phenomenon (such as aliens, or mysterious energies).
How would they get them so geometrically perfect,considering they dont have a birds-eye view?
How did the aliens get them so geometrically perfect without a birds-eye view? Oh, they had flying saucers! But surely it is more rational to think that some human has a flying saucer and makes the crop circles than an alien does? There is one less improbable entity involved.