19 Aug 09
Originally posted by galveston75you have still not refuted my ascersion, Paul was writing a letter to the Corinthians, all of them. Further more that letter's intent was to teach them about what happens when we die, not when "special people" die. No where does this passage limit the number to 144000. The 144000 comes from revelations and has nothing to do with "ruling class", the JW interpretation is a stretch at best.
Paul is no doubt in heaven as he would have been included in the 144,000. That number is there for a reason and Jesus spoke of a little flock that would rule with him during the thousand year period. 1 + 1 = 2. Put the scriptures together and figure it out.
He also spoke of a great crowd that no one was able to number. So again the 144,00, as complicat ...[text shortened]... e... really, really, really means something. If you can disprove that it's not, I'm listening.
19 Aug 09
Originally posted by galveston75I did not say it was in heaven. I said it is where God is. Be it heaven or earth. I have no problem with the teaching of the earth being restored it is biblical. Revelation 21 says God will dwell with man in a new heavens and earth. It's plain & clear. His Kingdom is now! You know it's not some la la pie in the sky thing.
Not a good answer Manny. Show me proof that it is in heaven otherwise it's just your opinion.
Manny
20 Aug 09
Originally posted by menace71Yes the heavens have been cleanzed of Satan and his demons but that has not happened yet on earth.
I did not say it was in heaven. I said it is where God is. Be it heaven or earth. I have no problem with the teaching of the earth being restored it is biblical. Revelation 21 says God will dwell with man in a new heavens and earth. It's plain & clear. His Kingdom is now! You know it's not some la la pie in the sky thing.
Manny
21 Aug 09
Originally posted by menace71How many parables does Jesus start off with "The Kindom of HEAVEN, is like..."?
I did not say it was in heaven. I said it is where God is. Be it heaven or earth. I have no problem with the teaching of the earth being restored it is biblical. Revelation 21 says God will dwell with man in a new heavens and earth. It's plain & clear. His Kingdom is now! You know it's not some la la pie in the sky thing.
Manny
23 Aug 09
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Originally posted by karoly aczelParadise could not be in heaven because of the references in these scriptures to food, houses, physicle problems, death, graves, etc.
I get confused with the christian notions of paradise and heaven. Which one is it?
My understanding of heaven is that is it not comparable to anything in the 3 dimensional world.As for paradise on Earth I think its a pipe dream.
23 Aug 09
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Originally posted by galveston75everything seems to be in the heart, Jesus, Gods Kingdom, Gods Spirit, paradise etc etc etc. it is nothing more than pure and utter emotionalism, devoid of reasoning!
What scripture says it in the heart and not on the earth in the future?
23 Aug 09
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Yes I'm one of the 144,000. 🙂 Kidding but where God is is Pardise/Heaven/His Kingdom. It does not have to be future either it is NOW! Jesus says something very much like this. I do care about Paradise but Who cares? In the New heavens & earth God will be there that is what matters most.
Manny