Spirituality
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidActually, when confronted about this, he refuses to explain what he personally does to follow Christ. He refuses to speak ANYthing of his own ministry. He can't back up anything he says. One standard for he, another one for we.
Rajk has told you repeatedly that he follows the teachings of Jesus.
You will find these teachings in the Bible.
From what I've seen here, he specifically refuses to love his brothers as he loves himself.
It's not what is and isn't in the Bible. It's what is he DOing (walking, not talking) to "follow Christ".
Tell me I'm wrong.
@suzianne saidYou are not entitled to this information and he is not obliged to divulge it. See Matthew 6:1. Rajk999 is not here to brag about what he does, even if you sometimes seem like you are. He is here to talk about doctrine. He has talked umpteen times about what Jesus taught his followers to do.
Actually, when confronted about this, he refuses to explain what he personally does to follow Christ.
@rajk999 saidWhen you are confronted with scripture that doesn't fit your likes and dislikes you blow it off, you don't hold the scriptures as something you must conform your life to, or have you changed your mind about that? As I have said, you talk out of two sides of your face with Paul and Christ, you use their words when it suits you and ignores or belittle scripture when it doesn't, making claims about things like someone's church that has nothing at all do with what is said deceiver, you use the word you do not conform to it.
What ?? Are you right in your head? I am quoting Paul and the Apostles. I am siding with them, and with Christ. You have some doctrine promoted by the church which is a odds with what Paul said.
17 Aug 23
To Rajk999, Kellyjay, divegeester, et al:
Diverting (yawn) as your little playground squabbles have been during the last four or five pages, may I suggest you continue them elsewhere or return to discussing the original thread. FMF and Suzianne have attempted to inject some intellectual integrity to the skirmishes, but, alas, to no avail…
17 Aug 23
@pianoman1 saidSure, every sinner is condemned already because of their sins against God and man without exception. God has made a way for all of man to be redeemed in Jesus Christ without exception, turning the worse sinners into children of God where holiness, love, grace, and mercy that God has shown us may be found in the worse to the best of us since we are all sinners. The fact God can redeem and turn people dead in their sins into born again believers taking on God's life within shows the greatness of God's love and mercy. While we judge ourselves by ourselves God is not a respecter of persons, we are dead in our sins before Him and He gives us life found only in Him when He redeems us.
To Rajk999, Kellyjay, divegeester, et al:
Diverting (yawn) as your little playground squabbles have been during the last four or five pages, may I suggest you continue them elsewhere or return to discussing the original thread. FMF and Suzianne have attempted to inject some intellectual integrity to the skirmishes, but, alas, to no avail…
@kellyjay saidONLY if they accept jesus as their personal saviour and God as the one and only god. Only if they repent.
Sure, every sinner is condemned already because of their sins against God and man without exception. God has made a way for all of man to be redeemed in Jesus Christ without exception, turning the worse sinners into children of God where holiness, love, grace, and mercy that God has shown us may be found in the worse to the best of us since we are all sinners. The fact God ...[text shortened]... rsons, we are dead in our sins before Him and He gives us life found only in Him when He redeems us.
So no matter how righteous of a life a muslim or an atheist or a jew leads, there is this one disqualifying thing that renders anything else meaningless.
What does this say about your God? Would it be perhaps that he is a megalomaniac who values worship over anything else? Is that kind of God worthy of worship?
17 Aug 23
@rajk999 saidyou still have to accept him. All Jesus' death accomplish was satisfy that one requirement God put for himself. It still has to be a conscious act of faith. You are hilariously bad at reading comprehension.
When a mans post is insults, and no substance, you know he is defeated. I post no spin. I post exact quotes from the writings of Paul, who you claim I was ignoring. Apparently you are the one ignoring Paul.
Here again : [i]But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace o ...[text shortened]... now teachings of Jesus Christ and the Aposltes. All you know is your church doctrine which is false.
The entire new testament is filled with "Only through me, jesus, can you be saved"
Kelly's may be the more disgusting doctrine but if you both claim to follow the Bible, he understands it better than you do.
@fmf saidSadly for her she is influenced by some church promoting the idea you need to go around talking about yourself. We live in an era of self-righteous promotion, or prosperity gospel, pastors begging for tithes, hypocritical rich Christians flaunting themselves. Many Christians have gone totally astray.
You are not entitled to this information and he is not obliged to divulge it. See Matthew 6:1. Rajk999 is not here to brag about what he does, even if you sometimes seem like you are. He is here to talk about doctrine. He has talked umpteen times about what Jesus taught his followers to do.
She is a drama queen, full of herself. Remember this?
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[i]It is with regret that I announce to you all, that after 6965 days, I am leaving Red Hot Pawn.
6965 days
995 weeks
228 months, 25 days
19 years, 25 days
It both does seem that long and doesn't seem that long.
I'm leaving to pursue my other interests in life, including finishing my masters degree, and my ongoing efforts to improve the lives of the homeless in downtown Phoenix, Arizona.
To my clan, The Misfits, I say that I am proud to have played on the same team as all of you. You are all the best, and have upheld the very things I tried to promote: Honesty, Fairness and Integrity. You should all be proud of the time we've spent together.
"So long, farewell, au revoir, auf wiedersehen, goodbye!"
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17 Aug 23
@zahlanzi saidI started another thread. I have your answer there.
you still have to accept him. All Jesus' death accomplish was satisfy that one requirement God put for himself. It still has to be a conscious act of faith. You are hilariously bad at reading comprehension.
The entire new testament is filled with "Only through me, jesus, can you be saved"
Kelly's may be the more disgusting doctrine but if you both claim to follow the Bible, he understands it better than you do.
Apparently Pianoman1 had enough of this discussion here .. 🙂
@rajk999 saidyes, a person changed their mind. Shocking.
Sadly for her she is influenced by some church promoting the idea you need to go around talking about yourself. We live in an era of self-righteous promotion, or prosperity gospel, pastors begging for tithes, hypocritical rich Christians flaunting themselves. Many Christians have gone totally astray.
She is a drama queen, full of herself. Remember this?
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"So long, farewell, au revoir, auf wiedersehen, goodbye!"
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I find her to be a better person than you ever could dream of being
17 Aug 23
@zahlanzi saidJesus Christ is the propitiation our redeemer through His sacrifice He became sin who knew no sin, all the wrath of God was poured out on Christ He was crushed by God taking the full penalty of all we deserved. Because of that we are justified in Christ the guilty now redeemed fully because our sins were punished as Jesus became sin.
ONLY if they accept jesus as their personal saviour and God as the one and only god. Only if they repent.
So no matter how righteous of a life a muslim or an atheist or a jew leads, there is this one disqualifying thing that renders anything else meaningless.
What does this say about your God? Would it be perhaps that he is a megalomaniac who values worship over anything else? Is that kind of God worthy of worship?
Outside of Christ you better be perfect from the moment you were born or you will pay for your sins.
17 Aug 23
@kellyjay saidaha, so an atheist must be perfect.
Jesus Christ is the propitiation our redeemer through His sacrifice He became sin who knew no sin, all the wrath of God was poured out on Christ He was crushed by God taking the full penalty of all we deserved. Because of that we are justified in Christ the guilty now redeemed fully because our sins were punished as Jesus became sin.
Outside of Christ you better be perfect from the moment you were born or you will pay for your sins.
a child rapist must be sincere in being sorry and accepting Jesus is the saviour
so if I, a decent human being, accept Jesus is my lord and saviour, i might hang around in heaven with child murderers and rapists, but i will have to go to hell to have a conversation with Steven Hawking?
Oh, do you think i will have to ask Satan to stop torturing Hawking while i am speaking to him?
Is this fair?
17 Aug 23
@zahlanzi saidI said Jesus Christ is our redeemer, our propitiation, He became sin so we collectively could be saved we have that right, it is only found in Him. Outside of Christ you must be sinless because perfection is required, we must be perfect as He is. Our sins were paid in full by Jesus Christ as the sinless one became sin so sinners could be counted justified by God righteously. Any other way has God overlooking sin and being good and righteous God will not do that. The worst of us can be saved and the best of us outside of Christ will be condemned, Jesus’ righteousness is our only hope!
aha, so an atheist must be perfect.
a child rapist must be sincere in being sorry and accepting Jesus is the saviour
so if I, a decent human being, accept Jesus is my lord and saviour, i might hang around in heaven with child murderers and rapists, but i will have to go to hell to have a conversation with Steven Hawking?
Oh, do you think i will have to ask Satan to stop torturing Hawking while i am speaking to him?
Is this fair?
17 Aug 23
@zahlanzi saidYou will not find an unrepentant sinner in the Kingdom of God. We are called to repent and that is a life time commitment, salvation of God is a sovereign act of God, not a get out hell free card to continue in sin because of some acknowledgement or the utterance of a few words once in someone’s life.
aha, so an atheist must be perfect.
a child rapist must be sincere in being sorry and accepting Jesus is the saviour
so if I, a decent human being, accept Jesus is my lord and saviour, i might hang around in heaven with child murderers and rapists, but i will have to go to hell to have a conversation with Steven Hawking?
Oh, do you think i will have to ask Satan to stop torturing Hawking while i am speaking to him?
Is this fair?