Paradise

@kellyjay said
So how is it he doesn't hold the Bible as the revealed word of God

You are promoting bible worship. The bible in its original form, the Torah, the Septuagint, the Tanak and several other versions can be considered the revealed word of God. Later on the Gospels and other writings [some of which are not in the bible] are also the revealed word of God.

You are supposed to read, understand, and obey whatever the bible said to do, You are not to worship the bible.

I have been here promoting the DOING and KEEPING of the commandments of Christ for almost 20 years now, while you are promoting bible worship and professing faith, that all people are evil ... stuff which Jesus never said. Not once have you ever promoted Christ's teachings. What use is the bible to you?

@rajk999 said
You are promoting bible worship. The bible in its original form, the Torah, the Septuagint, the Tanak and several other versions can be considered the revealed word of God. Later on the Gospels and other writings [some of which are not in the bible] are also the revealed word of God.

You are supposed to read, understand, and obey whatever the bible said to do, You are ...[text shortened]... esus never said. Not once have you ever promoted Christ's teachings. What use is the bible to you?

Deceiver, I am doing no such thing the written word is just that, a revelation from God that you have taken upon yourself to put yourself above many of the authors of the text. You criticize the authors and scripture then use it to justify yourself and turn around and condemn others with it. You are a hypocrite and deceitful!

@kellyjay said
Deceiver, I am doing no such thing the written word is just that, a revelation from God that you have taken upon yourself to put yourself above many of the authors of the text. You criticize the authors and scripture then use it to justify yourself and turn around and condemn others with it. You are a hypocrite and deceitful!

What I have done is put Christ first. I do that because Jesus is the Son of God and Jesus is the way, the truth and the life... nobody else.

You think there is some virtue in being a bible scholar and reading and reverencing the bible. This is the modus operandi of the Pharisees, who Jesus condemned

@rajk999 said
What I have done is put Christ first. I do that because Jesus is the Son of God and Jesus is the way, the truth and the life... nobody else.

You think there is some virtue in being a bible scholar and reading and reverencing the bible. This is the modus operandi of the Pharisees, who Jesus condemned

You do no such thing as you take written word and insult the writers God has chosen and replace the meanings and importance on what you say instead of how scripture as written lays it out. You are a self described deceiver who puts your imagination and self importance above the very words of scripture. Lying prophets were condemned for putting their words in place of God’s words, it is your defining trait you will have no excuse for your deceptions!

@kellyjay said
You do no such thing as you take written word and insult the writers God has chosen and replace the meanings and importance on what you say instead of how scripture as written lays it out. You are a self described deceiver who puts your imagination and self importance above the very words of scripture. Lying prophets were condemned for putting their words in place of God’s words, it is your defining trait you will have no excuse for your deceptions!

Give an example.

@rajk999 said
Give an example.

You recanting all the times you dismissed what the Word says over your own mouth?

Titus 3 ESV
But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

@kellyjay said
You recanting all the times you dismissed what the Word says over your own mouth?

Titus 3 ESV
But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Chri ...[text shortened]... r, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

On what basis do you deny the scientific explanation of gravity?

@kellyjay said
You recanting all the times you dismissed what the Word says over your own mouth?

Titus 3 ESV
But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Chri ...[text shortened]... r, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

The Word of God is Jesus Christ, and Jesus said nothing of the sort. Those are the teachings of Paul.

In the teachings of Jesus he said things like:
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
(Matthew 5:3-10 KJV)

So are you saying all those thousands of people who heard Jesus, believed Him and lived righteously, will be damned because they did not hear Pauls teachings to Titus ? Paul, in other letters to the churches, said the same thing Jesus said about righteousness but you never quote those passages.

I wonder why. Are you promoting a mouth worship doctrine?

@rajk999 said
The Word of God is Jesus Christ, and Jesus said nothing of the sort. Those are the teachings of Paul.

In the teachings of Jesus he said things like:
[i]Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger ...[text shortened]... but you never quote those passages.

I wonder why. Are you promoting a mouth worship doctrine?

You know more than Paul who was called by Jesus Christ according to scripture in Acts, this only how delusional and full of yourself you are! You are like one of those who stood against Moses thinking they were closer to God than the one God selected. Bad ending for those of like mind as you have.

@kellyjay said
You know more than Paul who was called by Jesus Christ according to scripture in Acts, this only how delusional and full of yourself you are! You are like one of those who stood against Moses thinking they were closer to God than the one God selected. Bad ending for those of like mind as you have.

You know more than Jesus Christ apparently. You are misquoting and deliberately pretending to misunderstand what Paul said.

Paul is explaining the purpose of the death of Christ in Titus 3, and it is also detailed in Romans 5 that ALL PEOPLE have the FREE GIFT OF JUSTIFICATION .. this is what is meant by SAVED. Saved in this sense does not mean eternal life. Read Romans 5:17-18 :

For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (Romans 5:17-18 KJV)

Read it over ..By the righteousness of Christ, the free gift came upon all men unto justication of life
ALL people are justified by the death of Christ... ALL. Not only Christians.
But not all people get eternal life. Only those who do good works:

- feed the hungry
- clothe the naked
- help the needy
etc according to Matt 25

So you can ignore Christ all you like. One day you, and all people will explain what good works they have done.

Enough said. Im done. Good luck with your life.

@rajk999 said
You know more than Jesus Christ apparently. You are misquoting and deliberately pretending to misunderstand what Paul said.

Paul is explaining the purpose of the death of Christ in Titus 3, and it is also detailed in Romans 5 that ALL PEOPLE have the FREE GIFT OF JUSTIFICATION .. this is what is meant by SAVED. Saved in this sense does not mean eternal life. Read Ro ...[text shortened]... le will explain what good works they have done.

Enough said. Im done. Good luck with your life.

Deceiver, putting your spin over the anointed of God, you call yourself a follower of Christ and cast aspersions on the called of God. One who God called and who was also sent from early church fathers, acknowledged by Peter along with Paul’s writings. You are an arrogant man, hypocrite using the written word to justify yourself and condemn others with the same word.

@kellyjay said
Deceiver, putting your spin over the anointed of God, you call yourself a follower of Christ and cast aspersions on the called of God.

Rajk999 talks constantly about what being "a follower of Christ" entails - which seems to cause you conniptions - whilst you scarcely ever do talk about the teachings of Jesus. This is not altered in the slightest by declaring yourself to be one of "the called of God".

@rajk999 said
The Word of God is Jesus Christ, and Jesus said nothing of the sort. Those are the teachings of Paul.

In the teachings of Jesus he said things like:
[i]Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger ...[text shortened]... but you never quote those passages.

I wonder why. Are you promoting a mouth worship doctrine?

You quoting Jesus from the scripture point out that the scripture is where you get Jesus' words, no one is suggesting otherwise outside of you. Where do you get off using scripture to provide the revelation of God and also dismiss that God chooses people to write it that you disapprove of? You know more than the Holy Spirit of God who moved those who God chose to write the scriptural text. Deceiver, you place yourself above those people God chose, you hypocrite.

@fmf said
Rajk999 talks constantly about what being "a follower of Christ" entails - which seems to cause you conniptions - whilst you scarcely ever do talk about the teachings of Jesus. This is not altered in the slightest by declaring yourself to be one of "the called of God".

Many Christians do this. Jesus is just paid lipservice ie they call his name and profess faith, boast of their love for Jesus, they are saved, they are redeemed, they have eternal life etc etc. Next they find a way to condemn good works, they call it derogatory names like legalistic etc ... But in the end Jesus's teachings and the things he said to do that are essential for eternal life, are cast aside.

@rajk999 said
Many Christians do this. Jesus is just paid lipservice ie they call his name and profess faith, boast of their love for Jesus, they are saved, they are redeemed, they have eternal life etc etc. Next they find a way to condemn good works, they call it derogatory names like legalistic etc ... But in the end Jesus's teachings and the things he said to do that are essential for eternal life, are cast aside.

Deciever, no one is talking against good works either, you make things up as you go as you insult the authors God chose to write scripture. You use scripture selectively to promote your ideas over the Word of God as it is plainly understood. You make charges against people you do not know as if your word is undisputable truth, you tell lies by saying things you cannot know, only assume, hypocrite.