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Originally posted by @rajk999Jesus spoke about it, angels spoke about it, Apostles spoke about it, Prophets spoke about it, but according you it is a church doctrine error.
If you sit and think you will know that your church doctrine is in error. If you have any desire to enter the Kingdom of God you will preach the right thing to others, instead of telling people stuff that Jesus never said was necessary.
Jesus's discussions to his disciples was not preaching about the Kingdom of God. In fact there were many times during ...[text shortened]... e you never ever do.
You need to have a look at what you believe because it is not of Christ.
Matthew 16:21
From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.
Mark 8:31
And he began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes and be killed, and after three days rise again.
Acts 17:2-4 English Standard Version
2 And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.” 4 And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a great many of the devout Greeks and not a few of the leading women.
Luke 24:4-7 English Standard Version
4 While they were perplexed about this, behold, two men stood by them in dazzling apparel. 5 And as they were frightened and bowed their faces to the ground, the men said to them, “Why do you seek the living among the dead? 6 He is not here, but has risen. Remember how he told you, while he was still in Galilee, 7 that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men and be crucified and on the third day rise.”
Isaiah 53:
1
Who has believed what he has heard from us?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2
For he grew up before him like a young plant,
and like a root out of dry ground;
he had no form or majesty that we should look at him,
and no beauty that we should desire him.
3
He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
and as one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4
Surely he has borne our griefs
and carried our sorrows;
yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted.
5
But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed.
6
All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned—every one—to his own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
yet he opened not his mouth;
like a lamb that is led to the slaughter,
and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent,
so he opened not his mouth.
8
By oppression and judgment he was taken away;
and as for his generation, who considered
that he was cut off out of the land of the living,
stricken for the transgression of my people?
9
And they made his grave with the wicked
and with a rich man in his death,
although he had done no violence,
and there was no deceit in his mouth.
10
Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him;
he has put him to grief;
when his soul makes an offering for guilt,
he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days;
the will of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
11
Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied;
by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant,
make many to be accounted righteous,
and he shall bear their iniquities.
12
Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many,
and he shall divide the spoil with the strong,
because he poured out his soul to death
and was numbered with the transgressors;
yet he bore the sin of many,
and makes intercession for the transgressors.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeMy understanding is personal. It sepaks to me . I've given my take on parts of it and ellaborated whenever asked questions. . . . . You think I would expose myself to the likes of you in a public forum ? Dream on
What is your understanding of 'Gospel?'
Originally posted by @secondsonMore hot air from the bums of bugs
The gospel of Jesus Christ is about His death, burial and resurrection. You'll die in your sins if you don't acknowledge Jesus died for you.
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Originally posted by @karoly-aczelWhat is basically good?
What are you on about now? Please speak plainly . I'vedone nothing but. All you have is 'believe in jesus' and whatnot. 'Believe in jesus and acceapt him as your lord' ... what does that mean anyway? please explain
What standard of good shows us what is good enough?
Can we judge that among ourselves by saying we can see who is better than who?
Would being basically good enough mean these we like, they are good?
Would being basically good enough mean those we dislike, they are not?
Many of the topics here are really all related.
Creation for example, if there is no God, the standard for good is totally man made.
With God what is acceptable rests totally with Him, not us, our standards are meaningless.
As we attempt to justify ourselves in our own righteousness we run counter to God.
God set the standard and it is Himself, we were to be His image bearers, made in His
likeness. Think about that, the goal was to have God’s goodness, His image, and likeness
as part of our makeup.
Sin enters us due to lies and temptations because of the devil. Murder shows up in the
second generation and we have been getting worse ever since. There isn’t any of us that
are good by the standard of God’s goodness, not one. Those who claim to be that good
are deluding themselves, and are so full of themselves they are lost.
So, God singles out a people and through them comes the Word of God made flesh, God
with us, the Son of God who did not come into the world to condemn it but save it. He
announces He is “I am” He raises the dead, heals the blind, cures diseases, casts out
devils, teaches us and he lays down His life for us as a man and takes it up again to
intercede for us because of our sins. He announces He is the Way, the Truth, and the
Life that no one comes to God except through Him. The path is narrow, and few find it
those that reject Him reject God’s salvation for us. There are many paths man has
created, but Jesus alone is the Way. You lose Him, you are utterly lost, even though you
didn’t have to be. It is Jesus, it is all about Jesus, not personalities, not churches, not
the masses, not our own self importance, He is the way.
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Originally posted by @kellyjayGood and evil are an illusion. Little kids and dogs are 'good' inthe sense they dont judge. They react naturally, without filter, to the world. Dogs and little kids never have a problem with me, they always smile. Its always their owners, those who judge me by my outward appearance, who have lost their god-given ability to sense the soulof others.
What is basically good?
What standard of good shows us what is good enough?
Can we judge that among ourselves by saying we can see who is better than who?
Would being basically good enough mean these we like, they are good?
Would being basically good enough mean those we dislike, they are not?
Many of the topics here are really all related.
Creatio ...[text shortened]... s, not personalities, not churches, not
the masses, not our own self importance, He is the way.
Originally posted by @kellyjayI do justify myself. Not just attempt.
What is basically good?
What standard of good shows us what is good enough?
Can we judge that among ourselves by saying we can see who is better than who?
Would being basically good enough mean these we like, they are good?
Would being basically good enough mean those we dislike, they are not?
Many of the topics here are really all related.
Creatio ...[text shortened]... s, not personalities, not churches, not
the masses, not our own self importance, He is the way.
Originally posted by @kellyjayThis really exposes your ignorance. I feel sorry for you. And the thumbs up just exacerbatethis because you think life is about popularity. This is the same tripe that has kept man in misery and suffering for generations. Wake upfor chrissake!! There is no truth if you dont look for it inside yourself first.
What is basically good?
What standard of good shows us what is good enough?
Can we judge that among ourselves by saying we can see who is better than who?
Would being basically good enough mean these we like, they are good?
Would being basically good enough mean those we dislike, they are not?
Many of the topics here are really all related.
Creatio ...[text shortened]... s, not personalities, not churches, not
the masses, not our own self importance, He is the way.
Originally posted by @kellyjaySo I ask again: what does it mean to accept Jesus as yourLord? (briefly this time,I dont want a sermon)
What is basically good?
What standard of good shows us what is good enough?
Can we judge that among ourselves by saying we can see who is better than who?
Would being basically good enough mean these we like, they are good?
Would being basically good enough mean those we dislike, they are not?
Many of the topics here are really all related.
Creatio ...[text shortened]... s, not personalities, not churches, not
the masses, not our own self importance, He is the way.
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelYou assume truth is within, I'm telling you corruption is without Christ.
This really exposes your ignorance. I feel sorry for you. And the thumbs up just exacerbatethis because you think life is about popularity. This is the same tripe that has kept man in misery and suffering for generations. Wake upfor chrissake!! There is no truth if you dont look for it inside yourself first.
Originally posted by @karoly-aczelGod's Kingdom has but one ruler, that is God. Anyone who isn't under God is in the
So I ask again: what does it mean to accept Jesus as yourLord? (briefly this time,I dont want a sermon)
rebellion against God. God isn't forcing us to come to Him, we accept Jesus Christ
we are restored back into God's Kingdom on God's terms, not our own. If you approach
God on your terms, that isn't acceptable. God sent Jesus to save us, Jesus took our sins,
our guilt our iniquity upon Him for everything sin, He became sin for us. When that
happen the divide between man and God was destroyed, even the curtain in the temple
that represented the divided between us was ripped from top to bottom.
Accepting Jesus, is accepting all He has done for us His sacrifice cleans us, He becomes
our Lord and savior there is no salvation in any other. Putting our faith in Him makes Him
our sole hope for salvation, He gives us His Spirit so that we have Jesus our way to God,
Jesus in us shows us the Truth, and He gives us His indestructible life in us too. So from
that point we owe it all to Him, He provides, He leads.
Our obedience isn't to earn anything from Him, if it were we would not be resting in the
salvation He won for us when He said it is finished. Our obedience is due to He is worthy,
and deserves everything in our lives without exception. Making Him Lord means we
strive to serve Him with all of our hearts, and know He has us and He is working all
things together for the good for those that love Him and are called according to His
purposes. In that we can rest, trust, and obey knowing that as we seek His will even our
mistakes He is working out for the good.
Originally posted by @kellyjay"The Kingdom of Heaven is within" , this is from your bible
You assume truth is within, I'm telling you corruption is without Christ.