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Originally posted by @fmf
You were more interesting, more engaging, more generous of spirit, and seemed more genuine with the voice you had before.
Sure thing.

However my life since the start of 2018 has been like Pandora's box: once opened there is no closing it.
I've always pursued spirituality above worldly ways my whole life, often to my apparent detriment. Now I reap the rewards of my faith.
I will continue to speak honestly and will never be intimidated by those who seek to belittle me nor those who seek to curry my favor.
To die and return last week was my final blessing. Now more than ever I have absolutely no fear of anything life can throw at me. I am not above any human frailties in the slightest. I feel every sling and arrow as sharply as anyone else. However I know that I've refined my experience enough to know that everything I do or say is now completely true, no matter who perceives it.

BTW you may now see a pic of my guitar I promised long ago to show you. (I hope you dont mind sharing) You should be able to see a pic on my facebook page (Charlie Aczel) or on JEB designed facebook page. (I couldn't show you until now because the artist was not ready to release his pics on line until just recently. ) enjoy the only guitar he ever made. I am proud to be the owner!!


Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
[b]However my life since the start of 2018 has been like Pandora's box: once opened there is no closing it. /b]
Well, it's been detrimental in so far as your forum persona is concerned.


Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
BTW you may now see a pic of my guitar I promised long ago to show you. (I hope you dont mind sharing) You should be able to see a pic on my facebook page (Charlie Aczel) or on JEB designed facebook page. (I couldn't show you until now because the artist was not ready to release his pics on line until just recently. ) enjoy the only guitar he ever made. I am proud to be the owner!!
I'm not interested.


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I do not answer personal questions and neither do I ask them. Asking personal questions is a ploy used by some to derail the topic. I dont get caught in that. But I will try to address the question of what it means to 'know Jesus'.

Some Christians boast of their professions of faith and they equate that with knowing Jesus. The bible says no such thing. Professions of faith simply means that the believer believes that Jesus existed and / or that Jesus died and was resurrected. That alone is insufficient for eternal life in the Kingdom of God and this simple fact was stated over and over by Jesus and the Apostles.

John discusses the idea of knowing Jesus:

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. (1 John 2:3-5 KJV)

And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
(1 John 3:24 KJV)


These are not isolated passages. They are all over the teachings of Christ and Paul.

Christians have denied that keeping the commandments is critical for eternal life. They have said in no uncertain terms that nobody can keep the commandments and that keeping the commandments are not necessary. All that is necessary is faith.

How can they therefore know Jesus. Jesus condemns professions of faith without works. In the story of the Good Samaritan the Samaritan KNEW Jesus because he followed the commandments of Christ. He did not 'know' Jesus in the Christian hypocritical sense The Priest and the Levite knew God but they did not follow Gods commandments. They knew neither God nor Jesus Christ.

If I can be of further assistance in understanding the concept of what 'knowing Jesus' entails please do not hesitate to ask. Personal questions will be ignored.

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Originally posted by @fmf
You have dodged my question and tried to deflect with personal remarks.

You said "One must receive Jesus otherwise one remains in the dark and inherently evil." In whose eyes are people no longer "inherently evil", to your way of thinking?
Make unbiblical statements which are preached by the church and when questioned and challenged they dodge and insult. They are a bunch of liars and hypocrites

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Originally posted by @fmf
Well, it's been detrimental in so far as your forum persona is concerned.
If populism is anything to go by then yes, you are absolutely right. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. My forum persona has been damaged. Such is life 🙂


Originally posted by @fmf
I'm not interested.
No sweat.

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Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
If populism is anything to go by then yes, you are absolutely right. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. My forum persona has been damaged. Such is life 🙂
No, you were never popular. But before you weren't the nasty little pretentious potty-mouth lightweight that you have become.


Originally posted by @fmf
No, you were never popular. But before you weren't the nasty little pretentious potty-mouth lightweight that you have become.
I value your opinon.It is not washy washy or borne of malice. . . You do know quite simply that it is absolutely irrelevant to my spirituality, right? I am beyond trying to give you the most basic of points. When you revert back to popular opinon , your personal distaste or misguided value judging you only hurt yourself.


Originally posted by @rajk999
I do not answer personal questions and neither do I ask them. Asking personal questions is a ploy used by some to derail the topic. I dont get caught in that. But I will try to address the question of what it means to 'know Jesus'.

Some Christians boast of their professions of faith and they equate that with knowing Jesus. The bible says no such thing. ...[text shortened]... what 'knowing Jesus' entails please do not hesitate to ask. Personal questions will be ignored.
That's a huge amount of diversionary bluster trying to get out of answering one simple question.

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https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/u-s-couple-murdered-by-isis-fell-victim-to-lefts-fantasy-world/

The above is a story about a couple of Leftists who thought that people are basically good and did not believe all the "fake news" about Islam and ISIS, so they went for a little vacation and were murdered.

The story has invited more derision than sympathy for the victims: a couple that ridiculed the idea that “the world is a big, scary place” was murdered by Islamic State (ISIS) jihadis while biking through Tajikistan. But those who are mocking Jay Austin and Lauren Geoghegan for their naivete are being too harsh.

The responsibility for their deaths lies not just with ISIS, or with this starry-eyed couple, but also with the Leftist world in which they moved and lived. The Left’s leaders constructed a fantasy world, because Leftist ideas are dead on the drawing board without it.

In their fantasy world, Islam is peace. Borders and nation-states are unwelcome relics of a bygone age, because people are good everywhere -- with the exception of Donald Trump and the “far-right.”

Austin, an employee of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, and Geoghegan, who worked at Georgetown University, decided two years ago to leave their jobs and go on a bike ride around the world. They kept a blog about their journey, on which Austin wrote last April:






You watch the news and you read the papers and you’re led to believe that the world is a big, scary place. People, the narrative goes, are not to be trusted. People are bad. People are evil. People are axe murderers and monsters and worse.

I don’t buy it. Evil is a make-believe concept we’ve invented to deal with the complexities of fellow humans holding values and beliefs and perspectives different than our own -- it’s easier to dismiss an opinion as abhorrent than strive to understand it. Badness exists, sure, but even that’s quite rare. By and large, humans are kind. Self-interested sometimes, myopic sometimes, but kind. Generous and wonderful and kind. No greater revelation has come from our journey than this.


Yes, Austin and Geoghegan were unwise to carry this Pollyannish philosophy into Muslim Central Asia, but they didn’t originate it. In this sad episode, ISIS is not the only one with blood on their hands.

Where did Austin get the idea that “evil is a make-believe concept"? Perhaps in today’s universities, which are saturated with moral relativism, contemptuous of absolutes, and dogmatically convinced that there is no dispute between people that can’t be settled by mutually respectful “dialogue.”

This perspective dominates contemporary culture, and is taken for granted even at the highest level. When Barack Obama and John Kerry entered into negotiations with the Islamic Republic of Iran, they were working upon the assumption that it was wrong to think that people “are not to be trusted” and that “people are evil.” Obama and Kerry were essentially embracing the idea that “evil is a make-believe concept.” That the mullahs were perhaps “self-interested sometimes, myopic sometimes,” but ultimately good-hearted. The Leftist intelligentsia was and still is unanimous in applauding that initiative.


Now does this back the claims of the Bible about people not being good or evolution with natural selection?

So confusing isn't it.

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Originally posted by @rajk999
Jesus was the true Light, which [b]lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
(John 1:9 KJV)
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Apologies, I cherry picked the entire Bible. 😵


Originally posted by @fmf
I'm not interested.
Stick in the mud.

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