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Originally posted by Rajk999Perhaps he is referring to the new paradise earth that Christ will create after the old earth passes away.
No not really... you did not answer the question. You presented the dogma of the JWs. I was looking for a couple of clear verses to support your statement: ... Jesus who made the ultimate purchase to restore our Promised Earthly Paradise...
Explanations like the one you gave, is like a steering wheel; it can be used to move the train of thought in ...[text shortened]... l. Again you are simply presenting JW dogma without applying your own judgment and common sense.
“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.
But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create;
For behold, I create Jerusalem as a rejoicing,
And her people a joy.
I will rejoice in Jerusalem,
And joy in My people;
The voice of weeping shall no longer be heard in her,
Nor the voice of crying.
(Isaiah 65:17-19 NKJV)
Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
(Revelation 21:1-4 NKJV)
01 Mar 14
Originally posted by divegeesterIn Christianity, Sabellianism (also known as modalism, modalistic monarchianism, or modal monarchism) is the nontrinitarian belief that the Heavenly Father, Resurrected Son and Holy Spirit are different modes or aspects of one monadic God, as perceived by the believer, rather than three distinct persons within the Godhead.
Hi Beau, I'm enjoying our games by the way. Your contributions here will be a refreshing change if they are personal as this one is.
Let me be clear on a couple of things:
I am not by any means a trinitarian, I never have been and I never will be. I believe God is ONE as is stated in scripture hundreds of times. On the other hand I believe Jesu ...[text shortened]... re will full brief you of the various combatants in this forum.
I wish you fun and games. 🙂
The term Sabellianism comes from Sabellius, a theologian and priest from the 3rd century. Modalism differs from Unitarianism by accepting the Nicean doctrine that Jesus is fully God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabellianism
01 Mar 14
Originally posted by beaurobertsVery true. And still many are looking for it and this is why God has been so patient with humans in letting the system go on even as bad as it is. Look at you and your wife. If God had decided 20 years ago that enough was enough and proceeded to cleanse the earth of wickedness and ones who did not want to be a part of the Kingdoms blessings as you didn't at first, things would be different for you then they are now.
Galveston75: If we do not know a truth exists, chances are we will not be looking for it. Over 9 billion people currently living on Earth all with different stories all with different experiences and potential paths to Jehovah God. A slammed door today may result in dinner and a Bible study tomorrow...we must remain diligent.
Beau
And for the fact that this wicked system is still existing is because Jehovah and his son see there are still some out there that are searching for Jehovah and are wanting to be taught.
01 Mar 14
Originally posted by RBHILLThat doesn't say anything about him being equal to his father. In fact there are no scriptures that say the holy spirit is equal to the Father either.
John 5:18 and also Jesus uses the words "I AM"!
http://carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/john-518-making-himself-equal-god
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Originally posted by beaurobertsNot that it matters a whole lot, we have after all been conditioned to think of billions as mere pocket change...
Galveston75: If we do not know a truth exists, chances are we will not be looking for it. Over 9 billion people currently living on Earth all with different stories all with different experiences and potential paths to Jehovah God. A slammed door today may result in dinner and a Bible study tomorrow...we must remain diligent.
Beau
http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
01 Mar 14
Originally posted by Rajk999Luke 23:39-43
I would be very interested in seeing this in the Bible.
Good News Translation (GNT)
39 One of the criminals hanging there hurled insults at him: “Aren't you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”
40 The other one, however, rebuked him, saying, “Don't you fear God? You received the same sentence he did. 41 Ours, however, is only right, because we are getting what we deserve for what we did; but he has done no wrong.” 42 And he said to Jesus, “Remember me, Jesus, when you come as King!”
43 Jesus said to him, “I promise you that today you will be in Paradise with me.”
Jesus did not say heaven, but a paradise. No paradise has existed since the garden of Eden. Many scriptures point to the resoration of the entire earth back to that garden and Jesus even told the thief about it.
This is one of the main affects the heavenly Kingdom will have on the earth which is the restoration of the earth back to a paradise for us all just as Jehovah originally planned.
First Jesus removed satan from heaven and soon he will bind him up for a thousand years so the earth can be restored without satans influance.
This whole precess of bringing this back was put into motion by Jehovah immediatly after Adam lost it for us.
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Originally posted by galveston75
Very true. And still many are looking for it and this is why God has been so patient with humans in letting the system go on even as bad as it is. Look at you and your wife. If God had decided 20 years ago that enough was enough and proceeded to cleanse the earth of wickedness and ones who did not want to be a part of the Kingdoms blessings as you didn't ...[text shortened]... see there are still some out there that are searching for Jehovah and are wanting to be taught.
01 Mar 14
Originally posted by beauroberts9 Billion? We keep telling you JWs that that WatchTower website has false information.
Galveston75: If we do not know a truth exists, chances are we will not be looking for it. Over 9 billion people currently living on Earth all with different stories all with different experiences and potential paths to Jehovah God. A slammed door today may result in dinner and a Bible study tomorrow...we must remain diligent.
Beau
01 Mar 14
Originally posted by galveston75You really think that answers the question?
Luke 23:39-43
Good News Translation (GNT)
39 One of the criminals hanging there hurled insults at him: “Aren't you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”
40 The other one, however, rebuked him, saying, “Don't you fear God? You received the same sentence he did. 41 Ours, however, is only right, because we are getting what we deserve for what we did; but ...[text shortened]... ecess of bringing this back was put into motion by Jehovah immediatly after Adam lost it for us.
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Originally posted by galveston75"I and my Father are one." -- John 10:30, KJV
Really? Where does the Bible say he is equal to God? Make sure you show me that scripture because I can show you where it say Jesus never once considered himself equal to his father.
In case you don't remember, this is why the Jews took up stones against Jesus. They saw He was claiming to be God.
"Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." -- John 10:31-33, KJV
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Let me ask all you Christians who claim they've never prayed to Jesus:
Who did you pray to in the most important prayer of your life, when you became a Christian? Did you not pray to the Lord Jesus Christ to come into your life and abide with you? Did you not turn over your sinful life unto His hands?
(Obviously, this is not for the JW crowd... we know that you don't consider Jesus Christ as Lord. Personally, I don't see how you could claim to be Christian without giving your life over to Christ.)
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Originally posted by galveston75What is the Holy Spirit and where did it come from then? I mean there are a lot of scriptures that show that all three are equal I don't even have to Google and look for myself you could do the same.
That doesn't say anything about him being equal to his father. In fact there are no scriptures that say the holy spirit is equal to the Father either.