26 Apr 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeIs jail the answer to the problem of post-partum child abuse?
Jail is not the answer to the problem. So the answer is no.
I don't understand you, Ivanhoe: you call abortion murder, but don't
want to impose the same penalties on those who seek and perform
them as you would a parent who killed their three-month old. You call
a zygote a child -- one entitled to all the rights and privileges that a
post-partum child would -- but you don't want to penalize a
parent who abuses her zygote by smoking and drinking, abuse that
is scientifically demonstrable.
Can you please explain your dichotomous stance, because it makes
absolutely no logical sense to me whatsoever?
Nemesio
26 Apr 05
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Originally posted by Nemesio
Is jail the answer to the problem of post-partum child abuse?
I don't understand you, Ivanhoe: you call abortion murder, but don't
want to impose the same penalties on those who seek and perform
them as you would a parent who ...[text shortened]... makes
absolutely no logical sense to me whatsoever?[i]
Nemesio
There isn't a "dichotomous" stance as you call it.
I am not so much into punishment as some on this site would like you to believe.
I am more in favour of teaching people what is right and wrong, educating people, teaching people how they can solve their problems, helping people to solve their problems.
Giving people education, treatment, therapy and offering help rather than punishment is my approach.[i]
26 Apr 05
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Originally posted by ivanhoeSo you do not believe that a person who abuses or murders their
There isn't a "dichotomous" stance as you call it.
I am not so much into punishment as some on this site would like you to believe.
I am more in favour of teaching people what is right and wrong, educating people, teaching p ...[text shortened]... apy and offering help rather than punishment is my approach.[/i]
3-month old child should be punished?
If that statement is correct, then I apologize for accusing you of being
dichotomous.
If you believe that a person who does either of those things should
be punished, then your stance is contradictory: either a fetus has the
full rights and protections of a child, or s/he doesn't.
Nemesio
26 Apr 05
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Originally posted by NemesioIn my view your ways of reasoning are rigid and sarcastic, not aimed at understanding and not benevolent at all. In fact I look upon them as being manipulating chimp fights. I cannot relate to such reasoning.
So you do not believe that a person who abuses or murders their
3-month old child should be punished?
If that statement is correct, then I apologize for accusing you of being
dichotomous.
If you believe that a person who does either ...[text shortened]... ll rights and protections of a child, or s/he doesn't.
Nemesio
26 Apr 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeThis would be non-answer #3 by my count:
In my view your ways of reasoning are rigid and sarcastic, not aimed at understanding and not benevolent at all. In fact I look upon them as being manipulating chimp fights. I cannot relate to such reasoning.
Do you believe that a woman should be punished if she murders her
own 3-month old child?
Do you believe that a woman should be punished if she has an
abortion (and, if so, should the penalties be the same as any
penalties above)?
If the answers to these questions are different (i.e., Yes and No,
respectively), then what is your reasoning?
The reason I am so puzzled is because you have claimed that a
fetus (or zygote) is a person and entitled to the rights and privileges
of personhood.
I look forward to your straightforward answer. Please feel free to
answer with more than just a 'Yes' and 'No' but please give a definitive
answer rather than your ad hominem attack like the last one.
Nemesio
26 Apr 05
Originally posted by Nemesio
This would be non-answer #3 by my count:
Do you believe that a woman should be punished if she murders her
own 3-month old child?
Do you believe that a woman should be punished if she has an
abortion (and, if so, should the penalties be the same as any
penalties above)?
If the answers to these questions are different (i.e., Yes and No,
respec ...[text shortened]... ive a definitive
answer rather than your ad hominem attack like the last one.
Nemesio
Why don't you go and pick a fight with someone else. I'm not in the mood right now.
26 Apr 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeHe is presently calling me stupid. It's ok ivanhoe don't feel bad. He is just upset about his penis size, as I am sure he has dissapointed more fat gurls than Jenny Craig and is taking it out on us.
Why don't you go and pick a fight with someone else. I'm not in the mood right now.
RTh
26 Apr 05
Originally posted by Ringtailhunter
He is presently calling me stupid. It's ok ivanhoe don't feel bad. He is just upset about his penis size, as I am sure he has dissapointed more fat gurls than Jenny Craig and is taking it out on us.
RTh
He is surely acting out very badly ..... maybe he is No1's twin brother, but is too afraid to tell us ...... 😛
26 Apr 05
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[]Originally posted by ivanhoe[]So then you agree Roe v. Wade, which said criminal laws which specified a prison term of up to ten years for having or performing an abortion were unconstitutional, was rightly decided?
There isn't a "dichotomous" stance as you call it.
I am not so much into punishment as some on this site would like you to believe.
I am more in favour of teaching people what is right and wrong, educating people, teaching rapy and offering help rather than punishment is my approach.[i/]
26 Apr 05
Originally posted by no1marauder
So then you agree Roe v. Wade, which said criminal laws which specified a prison term of up to ten years for having or performing an abortion were unconstitutional, was rightly decided?
This thread is not about me, but about smoking and drinking pregnant women.