Premise: Objective morals do not exist

Originally posted by @dj2becker
You are the one that can't seem to say that your moral code is better than Hitler's moral code. I have no problem saying it.

What do you have "no problem saying"? I asked you if you think that my moral code - in so far as what you know about it - is "no better than Hitler's", and you said "Yes". Now you are suggesting that you have no problem saying it is better than Hitler's - which is it to be?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Exactly which means that Hitler also would have nothing to 'admit' since he would simply be disagreeing with you. That is where your morality crumbles.

How does Hitler killing 6,000,000 people (among other things), while not admitting that it was morally wrong, make my morality "crumble"?

Originally posted by @fmf
Yes, of course I think my moral code is better than Hitler's. Haven't you read or understood any of my posts? It's you who has the moral prism that renders you unable to differentiate between my code and Hitler's code, or, for that matter, that renders you unable to differentiate between my code and Hitler's code, or, for that matter, the morality of getting an ...[text shortened]... ve the morality of getting angry with a relative and the morality of murdering 6,000,000 people.

FMF: Why would I want to argue that my morals are "objectively better" than anyone else's? And what makes you think that I am trying to "convince" you that my morals are better than yours?

So would you or would not not want to argue that your morals are objectively better than Hitlers?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
If you don't believe anyone should follow your morals and everyone is free to do as they please, why couldn't Hitler be free to do as he pleases?

Can you quote me where I said, "everyone is free to do as they please"?

Originally posted by @fmf
How does Hitler killing 6,000,000 people (among other things), while not admitting that it was morally wrong, make my morality "crumble"?

From your perspective no moral code is objectively better than another, which means Hitler could just disagree with you and would not have to admit that he was wrong.

Originally posted by @fmf
Can you quote me where I said, "everyone is free to do as they please"?

If they are not free to do as they please and they should not follow your morals what should they do then?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
So would you or would not not want to argue that your morals are objectively better than Hitlers?

I think my morals are better than his were. It's you who doesn't. It's you who is encumbered with a moral prism which precludes you telling the difference. Do I need to convince you that Hitler was less moral than me? No, I don't.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
If they are not free to do as they please and they should not follow your morals what should they do then?

Obey the laws and the moral standards enshrined in them. Beyond that, I have no 'control' over fellow citizens.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
If you don't believe anyone should follow your morals and everyone is free to do as they please, why couldn't Hitler be free to do as he pleases?

Once again, could you please quote me where I said, in any of my hundreds and hundreds of posts, that "everyone is free to do as they please"?

Originally posted by @fmf
I think my morals are better than his were. It's you who doesn't. It's you who is encumbered with a moral prism which precludes you telling the difference. Do I need to convince you that Hitler was less moral than me? No, I don't.

You asked me whether I could tell and I said yes. Why are you now twisting my words?

You said:

Why would I want to argue that my morals are "objectively better" than anyone else's? And what makes you think that I am trying to "convince" you that my morals are better than yours?

Are you now backtracking on that?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
From your perspective no moral code is objectively better than another, which means Hitler could just disagree with you and would not have to admit that he was wrong.

It's you who is using the word "objectively", not me. From your supposedly "objective" point of view, when you see that Hitler thought killing 6 million people was morally acceptable, and I think killing 6 million people was morally wrong, do you believe my moral code is better than Hitler's was? Or does your so-called "objectivity" render you unable to tell?

Originally posted by @fmf
Obey the laws and the moral standards enshrined in them. Beyond that, I have no 'control' over fellow citizens.

Hitler obeyed the moral standards enshrined in his. What is your objection to that if there is no objective moral law by which you can demonstrate that his morals were wrong?

Originally posted by @fmf
It's you who is using the word "objectively", not me. From your supposedly "objective" point of view, when you see that Hitler thought killing 6 million people was morally acceptable, and I think killing 6 million people was morally wrong, do you believe my moral code is better than Hitler's was? Or does your so-called "objectivity" render you unable to tell?

Quote my words where I said that it renders me unable to tell.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
You said:

Why would I want to argue that my morals are "objectively better" than anyone else's? And what makes you think that I am trying to "convince" you that my morals are better than yours?

Are you now backtracking on that?

I don't think so. No. I have spent long months rejecting the idea that you propagate which is that your morals are superior and more coherent on account of your superstitious notions. I have not been arguing that my morals are better than yours - indeed, I think they are mostly identical, aside from the fact that you have shown some indication that your moral compass is broken in cerian ways. I have no reason to believe that you go around damaging, deceiving or coercing other people any more or less than I do.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Quote my words where I said that it renders me unable to tell.

I am saying that your moral prism has rendered you unable to tell whether my moral code is no better than Hitler's. I am not saying you said that. I said that. You can go and look for yourself. I've said it a few times.