Originally posted by @dj2beckerMorality governs behaviour. Here is an example that addresses your question above. An acquaintance often comes round to my house and expresses opinions about morality that I disagree with - it'd be OK to tell lies about himself to my children - and he considers the contents of my fridge his to eat and drink at will without permission. So far no problem. When he takes action in accordance with these moral opinions, I stop allowing him into my house. If he breaks in to my house to steal stuff, or if he acts bizarrely around my kids in a way that makes me concerned, I may well contact the police.
You said everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If everyone is entitled to their own opinions and morality (being subjective) is only based upon opinions, (with no opinion being any more valid than another) why would anyone not be free to do as they please if there were no objective standard by which to tell which opinions were correct and which weren't?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI think rape is morally wrong and the same goes for torturing babies for fun. I'd move away from a country that legalized such things because of my moral code.
But you just said that you would reject a law that legalized rape. So you do believe in a law that would supersede the laws of a country?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou were explicit about them being "equally evil". So have you changed your mind about it?
I have corrected you multiple times on the issue. I believe getting angry with your brother is sin. As is mass murder. That is all.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI have addressed this question before. Why are you repeating it? There is nothing I need to "admit".
So therefore you do believe that rape is always wrong regardless of whether a countries laws permit it or not. Which means you do believe in an least one moral absolute even if you won't admit it.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhat "law"? You mean some superstitious notion about a supernatural being 'passing' "laws"? No. But I have my own moral sensibilities, the source, nature and application of which we have discussed in detail, and they help me to navigate my way through life - to decide what I believe is wrong and right - and to address issues such as crimes and laws and the actions of other people, as well as my own. Do I think there are supernatural "laws"? No, I don't.
So you do believe in a law that would supersede the laws of a country?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerThis is not true, and it's falseness has been demonstrated to you with inarguable clarity time and time again. It seems unlikely that you are stupid enough to have failed to read or follow the repeated refutations of this point. Why do you persist with this nonsense?
If you assume that there is no objective moral code it means no moral code can be superior to another and your code is no better than Hitlers. You are either too blind to see this or too proud to admit this.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerCitation required: Please provide references demonstrating that Hitler (or any of his government or military officials) thought the 'Final Solution' was morally acceptable behaviour.
Hitler obeyed the moral standards enshrined in his. What is your objection to that if there is no objective moral law by which you can demonstrate that his morals were wrong?
06 Nov 17
Originally posted by @fmfIf you believe your moral code is subjective, it means that you believe no actions is ever always wrong because if you did you would then be having an objective moral standard. You do believe that rape and torturing babies is always immoral no matter the circumstances, so therefore you believe in an objective moral standard. It is obvious why you are not willing to admit this.
I think rape is morally wrong and the same goes for torturing babies for fun. I'd move away from a country that legalized such things because of my moral code.
"Objective moral standards mean that some actions are always immoral no matter the circumstances. "
06 Nov 17
Originally posted by @avalanchethecatYou have yet to demonstrate how one person's opinions on morality can be superior to someone else's opinions if there is no objective standard by which to make that judgement. Is everyone not entitled to their opinion?
This is not true, and it's falseness has been demonstrated to you with inarguable clarity time and time again. It seems unlikely that you are stupid enough to have failed to read or follow the repeated refutations of this point. Why do you persist with this nonsense?
06 Nov 17
Originally posted by @avalanchethecatPeople always justify actions in their mind before they execute them unless they act out of impulse.
Citation required: Please provide references demonstrating that Hitler (or any of his government or military officials) thought the 'Final Solution' was morally acceptable behaviour.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI remember you suddenly discarding the assertion in a conversation much later when it was inconvenient to you, yes.
If have corrected you on this months ago yet you always pretend to forget for some reason.
So you accept that you changed your mind at that point, after months of sticking by the "equally evil" assertion", when you now suggest you started 'correcting' me (as opposed to yourself)? Or not?
Dig yourself deeper. I have sent a link to the relevant thread to some other posters so that they can see for themselves, but I've asked them to say nothing and to, instead, simply observe you and your behaviour.
06 Nov 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerNo, I don't. It's as if you haven't understood a word I have said to you in 2016 and 2017.
If you believe your moral code is subjective, it means that you believe no actions is ever always wrong because if you did you would then be having an objective moral standard.
06 Nov 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerMy belief that rape and torturing babies is wrong is a subjective opinion. My belief that you raping and torturing babies would be wrong is a subjective one too.
You do believe that rape and torturing babies is always immoral no matter the circumstances, so therefore you believe in an objective moral standard.