Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou asserting you subscribe to 'moral objectivism' has absolutely no effect on the source, nature, purpose and application of your morality, which are - for all intents and purposes - the same as mine.
Well then it seems your knowledge of philosophy is lacking.
http://www.philosophy-index.com/ethics/meta-ethics/objectivism.php
06 Nov 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI am saying that your position, that moral truths exist independently from opinion, is a subjective one.
Are you saying someone who subscribes to 'moral objectivism' is subscribing to a 'subjective' view? 🙄
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06 Nov 17
Originally posted by @fmfWhat is written in the Bible is not influenced by my personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
You asserting you subscribe to 'moral objectivism' has absolutely no effect on the source, nature, purpose and application of your morality, which are - for all intents and purposes - the same as mine.
06 Nov 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYour preoccupation with the Bible is the result of your upbringing and your human environment; and your subscription to it and your interpretation of its content and of its significance is completely and absolutely rooted in your experience, steeped as they are in personal feelings, tastes, and opinions.
What is written in the Bible is not influenced by my personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
And it would be the same for any text, or book, or pamphlet, or tablets, or runes or tea leaves or chicken's giblets or whatever source you might have come across and taken a liking to.
I didn't say you had written the Bible or that you'd influenced what is written in it, or that your feelings had somehow influenced the words found in it. That's a red herring.
06 Nov 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerYou haven't demonstrated that your opinions are "objective". You have simply asserted that they are. Meanwhile, I have not asserted that my opinions are objective. Even if you decide unilaterally to declare my opinions "objective", it will make no difference.
Of course from your perspective everything is subjective even the view that my view is not objective, which in itself is self defeating.
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06 Nov 17
Originally posted by @fmfHere is a definition that might be easier for you to understand:
Your preoccupation with the Bible is the result of your upbringing and your human environment; and your subscription to it and your interpretation of its content and of its significance is completely and absolutely rooted in your experience, steeped as they are in personal feelings, tastes, and opinions.
And it would be the same for any text, or book, or pam ...[text shortened]... in it, or that your feelings had somehow influenced the words found in it. That's a red herring.
Objective morality is the idea that a certain system of ethics or set of moral judgments is not just true according to a person's subjective opinion, but factually true. Proponents of this theory would argue that a statement like "rape is wrong" can be as objectively true as "1 + 1 = 2"
06 Nov 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI don't have any trouble understanding your personal opinions at all. You seem to ignore my responses and don't bother to engage them. Your idea that 'there is a certain system of ethics or set of moral judgments that is not just true according to your subjective opinion, but is factually true' is your subjective take on morality and a subjective assertion you are making about your own personal opinions and morals ~ which you appear to believe makes your opinions more "true" or more "objective" than people who don't have the same superstitious beliefs as you.
Here is a definition that might be easier for you to understand:
Objective morality is the idea that a certain system of ethics or set of moral judgments is not just true according to a person's subjective opinion, but factually true. Proponents of this theory would argue that a statement like "rape is wrong" can be as objectively true as "1 + 1 = 2"
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Originally posted by @fmfIf you don't believe that any opinion can be factual why are you even stating your opinions as facts? If your opinion cannot be aligned with facts why should I not ignore it or bother to engage it?
I don't have any trouble understanding your personal opinions at all. You seem to ignore my responses and don't bother to engage them. Your idea that 'there is a certain system of ethics or set of moral judgments that is not just true according to your subjective opinion, but is factually true' is your subjective take on morality and a subjective asserti ...[text shortened]... ore "true" or more "objective" than people who don't have the same superstitious beliefs as you.
06 Nov 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerOf course you can ignore it if you want to.
If your opinion cannot be regarded as a fact why should I not ignore it?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerI am stating what my opinions about morality are here because this is a debate and discussion forum for sharing and comparing opinions.
... why are you even stating your opinions as facts?
06 Nov 17
Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhere did I say this? Can you quote the post? Was it on this thread?
If you don't believe that any opinion can be factual ...