Spirituality
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26 Dec 09
A question I asked on another thread is about the Holy Spirit and it's position in this triad. The question was according to the scriptures one can speak against the Father or the Son but not against the Holy Spirit. That is not a forgivable sin. Matt 12:31, 32.
So the question is if the Holy Spirit is the same as the other two, how do they work thru this problem?
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26 Dec 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieTrinitarian Christians do not believe that Christ was created -- hence the Nicene creed 'Begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father.' Christ and the Father are different persons. One in being, but different in respect to person, action and relation.
yes but do you not also hold that Christ is God, as the Father is God as the Holy Spirit is God? If so, then despite the assertion that there are three different personages, it is confusing and incomprehensible to assert that the three are different, yet the same in substance or essence or whatever other terms one wishes to utilise to try to explain ...[text shortened]... too be experienced', 'its the mingling of God and man', nothing, its almost matter of fact.
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26 Dec 09
Originally posted by galveston75The Holy Spirit is not the same as the Father and Son. They are one in being but not one in person. What is true of the Holy Spirit or the Father or the Son is not necessarily true for the other members of the Trinity. The Father is creator in a way that the Son and Holy Spirit are not; the Son is redeemer is a way that the Father and Holy Spirit are not; and the Holy Spirit is sanctifier in a way that the Father and Son are not. Each person has a different role and function within the Trinity.
A question I asked on another thread is about the Holy Spirit and it's position in this triad. The question was according to the scriptures one can speak against the Father or the Son but not against the Holy Spirit. That is not a forgivable sin. Matt 12:31, 32.
So the question is if the Holy Spirit is the same as the other two, how do they work thru this problem?
26 Dec 09
Originally posted by Conrau KOne in being, but different in respect to person, action and relation.
Trinitarian Christians do not believe that Christ was created -- hence the Nicene creed 'Begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father.' Christ and the Father are different persons. One in being, but different in respect to person, action and relation.
Can you explain the terms used here? I've often wondered what this is really about.
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26 Dec 09
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneLater I will create another thread. There is not a great deal of agreement about these terms so it would be better to discuss somewhere else. At the moment I am only concerned to say that the Father and Son are at the same time one but not the same.
[b]One in being, but different in respect to person, action and relation.
Can you explain the terms used here? I've often wondered what this is really about.[/b]
26 Dec 09
Originally posted by Conrau Kyes but you believe that he is God, do you not?
Trinitarian Christians do not believe that Christ was created -- hence the Nicene creed 'Begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father.' Christ and the Father are different persons. One in being, but different in respect to person, action and relation.
26 Dec 09
Originally posted by menace71Besides all that, they keep knocking on my door and stuff. 😕
While I respect the JW's here are problems.
1. Denial of who Christ really is namely God.
2. Denial of the Holy Spirit also being God.
3. Believing that abstaining from certain foods or drink will make them holy.
4. Blood issue not being able to comprehend the difference between a blood
transfusion and actually eating or drinking blood. t ...[text shortened]... and
can be proven.
8. I can go on & on but I think the point is made.
Manny
26 Dec 09
Originally posted by Conrau KOkay, I'd appreciate hearing whatever light you can shed on them.
Later I will create another thread. There is not a great deal of agreement about these terms so it would be better to discuss somewhere else. At the moment I am only concerned to say that the Father and Son are at the same time one but not the same.
26 Dec 09
Originally posted by Ice ColdIf you do not want us to knock on your door with very important bible issues, then write a letter and explain that you do not want us to knock on your door and give it to the next JW's that come by...
Besides all that, they keep knocking on my door and stuff. 😕
26 Dec 09
Originally posted by galveston75I have a large sign on my door that says:
If you do not want us to knock on your door with very important bible issues, then write a letter and explain that you do not want us to knock on your door and give it to the next JW's that come by...
I have my own religion and beliefs
Don't try to peddle your's to me.
Don't make me slap you!
I enjoy slapping people BTW
26 Dec 09
Originally posted by Ice Coldbut you were very respectful to me! and i am a witness of the most High! but then again i haven't knocked on your door, but i am sure if i lived near you, i might! but saying that, if you had such a sign up, i might think twice about trying to engage you in conversation.
I have a large sign on my door that says:
I have my own religion and beliefs
Don't try to peddle your's to me.
Don't make me slap you!
I enjoy slapping people BTW
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26 Dec 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYes. But the Father is not the Son. There is a clear distinction. So when the Scripture talks of the Father or God the Father, Trinitarians do not interpret this as applying to the Son.
yes but you believe that he is God, do you not?
26 Dec 09
Originally posted by Conrau Kso you have God the Father and God the son, and God the Holy Spirit, is it not so?
Yes. But the Father is not the Son. There is a clear distinction. So when the Scripture talks of the Father or God the Father, Trinitarians do not interpret this as applying to the Son.
