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@divegeester saidPlease DO hold your breath while you wait.
Still waiting for a referenced rebuttal of the content of my OP…
(But is it really your breath to hold?)
P.S. -- As Christians go, you strike me as a legalist -- which is to say a clever, arbitrary, transitory ego with verbal skills who prefers to engage in verbal battles it expects to win by dint of its cleverness rather than to humble and thereby exceed itself to explore the more experiential mysteries and greater contexts of Christianity.
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@kevin-eleven saidAs gays go, you strike me as being lonely.
As Christians go, you strike me as a legalist
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@kevin-eleven saidOn what specifically are you basing your assertion?
@divegeester
Your model, your proof, and who knows what else are incomplete.
16 Aug 22
@divegeester saidWhat am I dodging? You wrote the title of the OP, didn't you? The things you
It’s on my OP kellyjay, the one you keep dodging.
brought up are from the Bible? What is it you think I'm dodging? Maybe you
didn't write out what you are on about!? Is it the Bible or some people you
find in error?
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@kellyjay saidRecently I’ve had many exchanges across many threads with KellyJay about this topic. But here in this OP is absolute proof that bible cannot be taken literally.
What am I dodging? You wrote the title of the OP, didn't you? The things you
brought up are from the Bible? What is it you think I'm dodging? Maybe you
didn't write out what you are on about!? Is it the Bible or some people you
find in error?
Because if one believes KellyJay’s, sonship’s and Jospehw’s version of “literal” then this is what you get…
Assertion 1)
Jesus saves the few, not the many
Evidence 1) Matt 7:14
“Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”
Assertion 2)
God himself allows and even directs Satan to cause the many to turn away from God and perish.
Evidence 2) 2 Thessalonians 2:11
“Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false”
Assertion 3)
Those who don’t find the “way which leadeth unto life”, becuase they have been under this influence I.e. by default the many, the billions, are burnt alive in hell for eternity by the Jesus
Evidence 3) Revelation 14:9–11
“If anyone worships the beast . . . he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever”
… a cruel God who is a failure.
So what’s the alternative?
Well there is one. It’s an alternative where Jesus is loving, full of graciousness, kind to sinners and doesn’t torture billions of people for eternity!
BUT in order to find that alternative, one first has to acknowledge that taking the bible literally at face value doesn’t work.
16 Aug 22
@divegeester saidWho you talking to?
Recently I’ve had many exchanges across many threads with KellyJay about this topic. But here in this OP is absolute proof that bible cannot be taken literally.
Because if one believes KellyJay’s, sonship’s and Jospehw’s version of “literal” then this is what you get…
Assertion 1)
Jesus saves the few, not the many
Evidence 1) Matt 7:14
“Because strait i ...[text shortened]... native, one first has to acknowledge that taking the bible literally at face value doesn’t work.
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@divegeester saidWell, we were talking, then you start going on as if you were talking to someone
Is this primary school banter the best you can come up with?
else, and I might add, not addressing the points about your OP. "Proof you can't
take the bible literally" because you are not talking about the Bible's truthfulness
you seem to have more to say about me in this exchange. Had I never been born,
the truthfulness of the Bible would be what it is due to the things said it is; it
would still not have anything to do with me. So this is NOT about the Bible, as
you put down in the title? The quotes you put in the OP themselves are not really
anything to do with the Bible either; they have more to do with posters whose
points you disagree with, am I correct?
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@kellyjay saidMy OP, which I’ve repeated for you at least twice as you seem to be having difficulty comprehending it, is fully backed up with scriptures. As soon as you feel able to provide a similarly referenced direct rebuttal to it, please feel free to do so.
Well, we were talking, then you start going on as if you were talking to someone
else, and I might add, not addressing the points about your OP. "Proof you can't
take the bible literally" because you are not talking about the Bible's truthfulness
you seem to have more to say about me in this exchange. Had I never been born,
the truthfulness of the Bible would be what it ...[text shortened]... h the Bible either; they have more to do with posters whose
points you disagree with, am I correct?
Of you can carry on being silly of course.
16 Aug 22
@divegeester saidReferenced directed at refuting what, the Bible or my views, please pick, your
My OP, which I’ve repeated for you at least twice as you seem to be having difficulty comprehending it, is fully backed up with scriptures. As soon as you feel able to provide a similarly referenced direct rebuttal to it, please feel free to do so.
Of you can carry on being silly of course.
title and your intent don't seem to be directed towards the same thing. Yes, my
comprehending your meaning is difficult when you are all over the place in what
you are asking, then you just out of the blue act as if you are talking to someone
else, please be plain in your intent, and ask specific questions about a specific
end, if you cannot be clear, no one will answer you correctly when you are all
over the place.
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@kellyjay saidI’m not asking you anything KellyJay. You’ve been replying to my OP and to my subsequent replies to you… which I’m here again replying to. If you don’t feel that you can offer a referenced rebuttal to my scripturally referenced OP then just don’t. It’s fine with me. But this low grade banter from you is just making you look silly.
Referenced directed at refuting what, the Bible or my views, please pick, your
title and your intent don't seem to be directed towards the same thing. Yes, my
comprehending your meaning is difficult when you are all over the place in what
you are asking, then you just out of the blue act as if you are talking to someone
else, please be plain in your intent, and ask speci ...[text shortened]... fic
end, if you cannot be clear, no one will answer you correctly when you are all
over the place.
Here it is again… IF you want to address it. It’s up to you.
Recently I’ve had many exchanges across many threads with KellyJay about this topic. But here in this OP is absolute proof that bible cannot be taken literally.
Because if one believes KellyJay’s, sonship’s and Jospehw’s version of “literal” then this is what you get…
Assertion 1)
Jesus saves the few, not the many
Evidence 1) Matt 7:14
“Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”
Assertion 2)
God himself allows and even directs Satan to cause the many to turn away from God and perish.
Evidence 2) 2 Thessalonians 2:11
“Therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence, a working of error and a strong delusion to make them believe what is false”
Assertion 3)
Those who don’t find the “way which leadeth unto life”, becuase they have been under this influence I.e. by default the many, the billions, are burnt alive in hell for eternity by the Jesus
Evidence 3) Revelation 14:9–11
“If anyone worships the beast . . . he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever”
… a cruel God who is a failure.
So what’s the alternative?
Well there is one. It’s an alternative where Jesus is loving, full of graciousness, kind to sinners and doesn’t torture billions of people for eternity!
BUT in order to find that alternative, one first has to acknowledge that taking the bible literally at face value doesn’t work.
16 Aug 22
@divegeester saidSo because of our exchanges you don’t think the Bible can be trusted?
I’m not asking you anything KellyJay. You’ve been replying to my OP and to my subsequent replies to you… which I’m here again replying to. If you don’t feel that you can offer a referenced rebuttal to my scripturally referenced OP then just don’t. It’s fine with me. But this low grade banter from you is just making you look silly.
Here it is again… IF you want to add ...[text shortened]... ve, one first has to acknowledge that taking the bible literally at face value doesn’t work.[/i][/b]
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@kellyjay saidNo, that’s not what I’m saying at all.
So because of our exchanges you don’t think the Bible can be trusted?
Throughout this thread seem to be wanting to post anything which makes you feel as though you are addressing my scripturally referenced OP without actually addressing it.
It’s bizarre behaviour KellyJay.