06 May 17
Originally posted by Executioner BrandWhat country do you live in that forces shock treatment? I thought that went out decades ago. That is pretty disgusting.
In my country people are forced to have their brains electrocuted. What are you learning from that or forcing people on medications that limit their ability to feel and live a life. And why were 1/4 of all people who killed themselves in my country in the care of mental health and medicated. It sounds like a false belief meds actually help people w ...[text shortened]... of course the meds actually do something else viable but I doubt it or we would've heard by now.
07 May 17
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Originally posted by sonhouseNZ
What country do you live in that forces shock treatment? I thought that went out decades ago. That is pretty disgusting.
What is different about electrocuting a person's brain or giving them these meds when they both damage your brain in a choice you are not allowed to make which is decided by third world country immigrants from the likes of South Africa and India who are not very suitable in their positions as they can hardly speak the language. There is little wonder a quarter of all suicides here are mental health patients in the care of people who know nothing about this country or it's people.
http://www.lakealicehospital.com/history.html
It never went out it's just they don't get other patients to electrocute your genitals to heal you of mental illness.
07 May 17
Originally posted by karoly aczelIf you wanna be a part of the mental health system which is paid for by the government you will have to be taking medications. Unless I'm going to be paying for it, it isn't my choice.
Counselling is not for those that take meds only.
I had counselling for several years without meds.
As for god, I can go either way. Except the Christian version of course 🙂
edit: I had been on 4 different types of meds for my "schizophrenia" which turned out to be Anxiety disorder. No of them helped. I was counselled for 4 years after that an ...[text shortened]... xtra meds for my gp to write up. It's been nearly 4 years since I've seen a quack professionally
Most of my meetings with any psychiatrist usually end up in arguments rather then any form of benefit to me through counselling. I watch their patients knife people up, burn an 80 year old lady's face with coffee and jump off the bridge when they stop their meds. I don't have much faith in them. It's a religion I do NOT like or believe.
07 May 17
Originally posted by Executioner BrandForced onto meds in the public system, is that what you are saying?
If you wanna be a part of the mental health system which is paid for by the government you will have to be taking medications. Unless I'm going to be paying for it, it isn't my choice.
Most of my meetings with any psychiatrist usually end up in arguments rather then any form of benefit to me through counselling. I watch their patients knife peo ...[text shortened]... they stop their meds. I don't have much faith in them. It's a religion I do NOT like or believe.
Never heard that one, and we get news from NZ from time to time.
Are you sure it's not for people who have committed crimes as well?
I just cant believe if I went to a public psychologist they wouldn't treat me unless I went on meds.
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08 May 17
Originally posted by karoly aczelNot used by me personally, or my team, but ECT is still used as a treatment in the UK and there is evidence about its effectiveness in some cases. (Voluntary of course, not forced).
Seriously, are you aware of any electrocution techniques used at all in your part of the wooods?
If this is true in NZ it would be an international outrage, surely
This BBC link might answer more of your questions:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23414888
08 May 17
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Originally posted by karoly aczelI had to go to court 3 times and be treated like a criminal to defend their mental health act.
Forced onto meds in the public system, is that what you are saying?
Never heard that one, and we get news from NZ from time to time.
Are you sure it's not for people who have committed crimes as well?
I just cant believe if I went to a public psychologist they wouldn't treat me unless I went on meds.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1992/0046/latest/whole.html
Well that is what happened the last time I went off them. He basically said I was wasting his time and then in court he said I didn't want anything to do with them which was just another of a long list of lies and delusional beliefs about someone he hardly knows.
08 May 17
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Originally posted by karoly aczelYou surely gotta question this faith in "wellbeing" of medication when they also find these same results through the TBI inducing violence of ECT.
Seriously, are you aware of any electrocution techniques used at all in your part of the wooods?
If this is true in NZ it would be an international outrage, surely
How much is "faith" and how much is an actual benefit of science.
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08 May 17
Originally posted by Executioner BrandFrom the BBC link provided above:
You surely gotta question this faith in "wellbeing" of medication when they also find these same results through the TBI inducing violence of ECT.
How much is "faith" and how much is an actual benefit of science.
'Sixty-four-year-old John Wattie says his breakdown in the late 1990s was triggered by the collapse of his marriage and stress at work."We had a nice house and a nice lifestyle, but it was all just crumbling away. My depression was starting to overwhelm me. I lost control, I became violent," he explains.John likens the feeling to being in a hole, a hole he could not get out of despite courses of pills and talking therapies. But now, he says, all of that has changed thanks to what is one of the least understood treatments in psychiatry - electroconvulsive therapy (ECT).
"Before ECT I was the walking dead. I had no interest in life, I just wanted to disappear. After ECT I felt like there was a way out of it. I felt dramatically better."
"It's not intuitive that causing seizures can be good for depression but it's long been determined that ECT is effective," says Professor Ian Reid at the University of Aberdeen, who heads up the team treating John.