02 Jun 09
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Originally posted by duecerYou have what is called a manmade doctrine. It is not in the Bible.
Christ does NOT say that works are necessary, but rather by their works you would know them, a subtle difference, but a difference nonetheless
from your own post above: 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that da ...[text shortened]... ey are moved to do works.
you still haven't answered my question about death bed conversion.
As for deathbed conversions I dont have a clue what that is. I cant seem to find it in the Bible. Christ decides who gets salvation and who does not ... not your buddies in the church... 🙂
02 Jun 09
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Originally posted by Rajk999so Christ decide's? what if he decides that we don't need works and that our faith alone is enough?
You have what is called a manmade doctrine. It is not in the Bible.
As for deathbed conversions I dont have a clue what that is. I cant seem to find it in the Bible. Christ decides who gets salvation and who does not ... not your buddies in the church... 🙂
edit: I got news for you, all theology and all doctrines are man made. It is how we frame our position and explain our faith
02 Jun 09
suppose RAJK999 for a moment that you are physically incapacitated. incapacitated to the point that you cannot speak or communicate, and require 24 hour care as you can do nothing for yourself. You wouldn't be able to do any works, so you would burn in the lake of fire? Is that your contention?
02 Jun 09
Originally posted by duecerOh ... Yes. there is a new book in the New Testament that they found in the caves ... called Scenario Analysis for the Kingdom. All the 'what ifs' are in there. Sorry youre right. Christ is wrong.
so Christ decide's? what if he decides that we don't need works and that our faith alone is enough?
edit: I got news for you, all theology and all doctrines are man made. It is how we frame our position and explain our faith
02 Jun 09
Originally posted by duecerYou need to stick the letter 'n' in your name.
suppose RAJK999 for a moment that you are physically incapacitated. incapacitated to the point that you cannot speak or communicate, and require 24 hour care as you can do nothing for yourself. You wouldn't be able to do any works, so you would burn in the lake of fire? Is that your contention?
03 Jun 09
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Originally posted by Rajk999Small minds like yours are easy prey to that kind of talk.
Christ said works are necessary. Not me.
Christ never said anything about works being the outward expression .... whatever. Thats rubbish talk. Thats propaganda.
Small minds like yours are easy prey to that kind of talk.
There you go again, Rajk999, with your insults.
It's all well and good if you want to encourage believers to perform good works. But if your concern that Christians make the effort to perform good works is any indication that you actually love Christians, it certainly doesn't show in your behavior toward them.
Our true nature is revealed by our behavior. Christ said, "You can identify them [false prophets] by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?" (Matthew 7:16). By calling people insulting names, as you do on a regular basis, you plainly show yourself to be a thornbush and a thistle, someone from whom we cannot gather good fruit.
Frankly, it is an odd sight, someone like yourself who offers us nothing more than bad fruit (evil works), preaching nothing but good works.
03 Jun 09
Originally posted by epiphinehasyep lets clean up this forum and show a little more humility towards our fellow seekers...(a bit of good humour and creative fun poking can be quite revealing at times though)
[b]Small minds like yours are easy prey to that kind of talk.
There you go again, Rajk999, with your insults.
It's all well and good if you want to encourage believers to perform good works. But if your concern that Christians make the effort to perform good works is any indication that you actually love Christians, it certainly doesn't ...[text shortened]... lf who offers us nothing more than bad fruit (evil works), preaching nothing but good works.[/b]
03 Jun 09
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Originally posted by epiphinehasWhich would Christ prefer, my harsh words of truth that lead to salvation or your sweet lies that lead to death?
[b]Small minds like yours are easy prey to that kind of talk.
There you go again, Rajk999, with your insults.
It's all well and good if you want to encourage believers to perform good works. But if your concern that Christians make the effort to perform good works is any indication that you actually love Christians, it certainly doesn't lf who offers us nothing more than bad fruit (evil works), preaching nothing but good works.[/b]
Will give you 3 guesses Epi, but you only going to need one ...🙂
03 Jun 09
Originally posted by karoly aczelgeez after rajks previous comment and further reflection i don,t rightly know if i agree with my post at all.
yep lets clean up this forum and show a little more humility towards our fellow seekers...(a bit of good humour and creative fun poking can be quite revealing at times though)
😕😕😕
03 Jun 09
Originally posted by karoly aczelInsults are meant to hurt. Insults are meant to wound. Insults are meant to damage others. To be humbled (as in in the presence of God, or by the grace of God), is much different than being humiliated (as in the presence of a mean, hateful person). God always encourages and builds his children up in the truth, while evil people seek to tear others down. Insults are meant to destroy, not humble.
they keep ones ego in check and give us a chance to be humble and move beyond this world.
(sorry to but in)
"The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I [Jesus] have come that they may have life, and have it to the full" (John 10:10).
03 Jun 09
Originally posted by duecergood point.
suppose RAJK999 for a moment that you are physically incapacitated. incapacitated to the point that you cannot speak or communicate, and require 24 hour care as you can do nothing for yourself. You wouldn't be able to do any works, so you would burn in the lake of fire? Is that your contention?
03 Jun 09
Originally posted by epiphinehasinsults wound the ego
Insults are meant to hurt. Insults are meant to wound. Insults are meant to damage others. To be humbled (as in in the presence of God, or by the grace of God), is much different than being humiliated (as in the presence of a mean, hateful person). God always encourages and builds his children up in the truth, while evil people seek to tear ot ...[text shortened]... d destroy; I [Jesus] have come that they may have life, and have it to the full" (John 10:10).