22 Feb 15
Originally posted by twhitehead"If Gods motives are mysterious, then you cannot claim that one is more logical than the other."
Kelly Jay likes the phrase because it eliminates the need to choose between the two possibilities.
[b]just because of that "mysterious ways" phrase doesn't mean one is not more logical than the other. it simply means god had mysterious motives for doing something.
If Gods motives are mysterious, then you cannot claim that one is more logical than the other. Such a claim relies on God having motives that you can at least guess.[/b]
that's pretentious nonsense. i proposed 2 possible courses of action (X and Y) God took. even if god's motives were mysterious for either one, one can still judge X and y and see what is more logical.
22 Feb 15
Originally posted by sonshiplittle girls were to be stoned to death on the accusation of a man alone.are you still trying to justify stoning a little girl?
I do not think the law [b]Deuteronomy 22:13-21 was unrighteous of God. I think the law was holy, just, and righteous.
I may not like everything I read about these laws. But I believe they were righteous.
If ever a man walked the earth who was qualified to point out the ...[text shortened]... How can I not simply LOVE this Person, Jesus, the Son of God - "the light of the world"?[/b]
and you call it righteous?
" I may not like everything I read about these laws."
yes, it means you are a coward as well as a psychopath.
say it. say they were evil. you were created with a conscience, with reason, with free will. have the balls to call something evil, evil even if a potential supreme bully WOULD send you to hell for it. have the balls to declare, loud, that if god would ask you to stone a little girl, you would say NO
22 Feb 15
Originally posted by ZahlanziThe whole point of the phrase 'God moves in mysterious ways' is to claim that Gods motives are unknowable and that all judgements are off. You may dispute the reasonableness of the claim, but you cannot accept the claim and then demand judgement.
"If Gods motives are mysterious, then you cannot claim that one is more logical than the other."
that's pretentious nonsense. i proposed 2 possible courses of action (X and Y) God took. even if god's motives were mysterious for either one, one can still judge X and y and see what is more logical.
22 Feb 15
Originally posted by ZahlanziWell lets look at the logic I've asked you too already. What would make
"If Gods motives are mysterious, then you cannot claim that one is more logical than the other."
that's pretentious nonsense. i proposed 2 possible courses of action (X and Y) God took. even if god's motives were mysterious for either one, one can still judge X and y and see what is more logical.
anyone having sex outside of marriage bad? If you continue reading that
chapter:
Deuteronomy 22: 22 If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.
The man if he is found out broke the marriage bond he and the woman are
put to death.
So why is it that important that the deed would call for the death of the one
who was promiscuous so that as the text says that evil must be purged?
22 Feb 15
Originally posted by twhitehead"The whole point of the phrase 'God moves in mysterious ways' is to claim that Gods motives are unknowable and that all judgements are off"
The whole point of the phrase 'God moves in mysterious ways' is to claim that Gods motives are unknowable and that all judgements are off. You may dispute the reasonableness of the claim, but you cannot accept the claim and then demand judgement.
gods motives ARE unknowable. that doesn't mean i can't still judge his actions.
your mistake is assuming that i already accepted the course of action kelly proposes and i ask him to consider something more logical.
i didn't. i ask him to weigh 2 options and decide which is more logically consistent with what the new testament and jesus' words say.
22 Feb 15
Originally posted by KellyJayyes, why would god ask for that then and not care later on?
Well lets look at the logic I've asked you too already. What would make
anyone having sex outside of marriage bad? If you continue reading that
chapter:
Deuteronomy 22: 22 If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.
The man if he is found out broke t ...[text shortened]... for the death of the one
who was promiscuous so that as the text says that evil must be purged?
jesus was not repulsed when the woman "of questionable morality" washed his feet. jesus saved the woman about to be stoned to death for adultery.
doesn't this prove that the laws about adultery from the OT were not given by god but were invented by men wanting to impose their morality on others?
22 Feb 15
Originally posted by ZahlanziActually a great question, but I'd still like to hear from you why God would
yes, why would god ask for that then and not care later on?
jesus was not repulsed when the woman "of questionable morality" washed his feet. jesus saved the woman about to be stoned to death for adultery.
doesn't this prove that the laws about adultery from the OT were not given by god but were invented by men wanting to impose their morality on others?
care about that in the first place. I will answer yours, I'd just like mine
answered if you don't mind.
22 Feb 15
Originally posted by ZahlanziPersonally knowing how strong lust is within man, why would man limit his
yes, why would god ask for that then and not care later on?
jesus was not repulsed when the woman "of questionable morality" washed his feet. jesus saved the woman about to be stoned to death for adultery.
doesn't this prove that the laws about adultery from the OT were not given by god but were invented by men wanting to impose their morality on others?
choices by making that law if it were not God?
22 Feb 15
Originally posted by KellyJayBecause man also has a very strong dislike of infidelity on the part of his spouse. This can be explained by evolution - it doesn't have such an easy explanation when it comes to God.
Personally knowing how strong lust is within man, why would man limit his
choices by making that law if it were not God?
22 Feb 15
Originally posted by KellyJayare you asking me why man, throughout history, tried to impose his morality on others? do you think god told the popes to start crusades? do you think god told inquisitors to burn "witches", jews and heretics? do you think god told feudal lords to oppress peasants?
Personally knowing how strong lust is within man, why would man limit his
choices by making that law if it were not God?
man is insecure. he needs confirmation that what he believes in is right so he forces his beliefs on others. and of course, sometimes there are even material benefits.
22 Feb 15
Originally posted by KellyJayi already answered that. he wouldn't care. that's why he sent jesus to make it clear how little he cares about who fornicates who
Actually a great question, but I'd still like to hear from you why God would
care about that in the first place. I will answer yours, I'd just like mine
answered if you don't mind.
22 Feb 15
Originally posted by ZahlanziI'm asking about the text you brought up, why would man write that book
are you asking me why man, throughout history, tried to impose his morality on others? do you think god told the popes to start crusades? do you think god told inquisitors to burn "witches", jews and heretics? do you think god told feudal lords to oppress peasants?
man is insecure. he needs confirmation that what he believes in is right so he forces his beliefs on others. and of course, sometimes there are even material benefits.
that would limit his own ability to sleep with another man's wife? Why
would they put rules on marriage and keep it so pure, to the point of killing
those that didn't? Please stay on the topic you brought up!