27 Apr 22
@kellyjay saidI don't think that's true at all. There may be some non-supernatural things where my speculation is significant, but for you to claim I am "speculating about MOST things in life" makes you sound silly. What's the matter with you?
You are speculating on most things in life not just what you call supernatural.
27 Apr 22
@fmf saidWhen I say truth it is in the most general context you take that and make it about whatever you want. When I speak about a specific truth I name it, you don’t allow that since everything I say you turn it into something about (THE SUPERNATURAL) I have started threads about genetic topics and you jump in saying it is about hell.
The focus is ON ONE HAND what you claim to be "the truth", which you like to refer to as "objective" facts and "absolute truths", which are just your opinions and hopes etc. ON THE OTHER HAND the focus is my subjective opinions about the same stuff.
27 Apr 22
@fmf saidSo do you know where everything came from that is all things not just most. Do you know how informational directions in life came from? We speculate because we can not provide direct causes, and if you insist on only natural causes you should be able to justify that. You can not!
I don't think that's true at all. There may be some non-supernatural things where my speculation is significant, but for you to claim I am "speculating about MOST things in life" makes you sound silly. What's the matter with you?
27 Apr 22
@kellyjay saidGive some examples of speculation about non-supernatural things in my everyday life that in any credible way correspond to your speculation about things like your own immortality, the existence of "Hell" and the doctrine of atonement.
You are speculating on most things in life not just what you call supernatural.
27 Apr 22
@fmf saidThat’s my point where did everything come from unless you can give a reasonable explanation through something akin to natural your left with something else. Which why gravity when you jumped on that left you wanting for a explanation. If you think dive came up with one, think again. Something that causes is not an explanation of what is, only what is it doing.
Give some examples of speculation about non-supernatural things in my everyday life that in any credible way correspond to your speculation about things like your own immortality, the existence of "Hell" and the doctrine of atonement.
I could say something causes you to move, that your legs, car, airplane, or train? Now the word force was used, that a police force, a military force, PSI such a vague word for a specific explanation.
27 Apr 22
@divegeester saidI agree you described what it does, not what it is.
What do you agree with?
Nothing which contradicts your old wineskin, old paradigm, fixed-in-stone, prideful mindset.
27 Apr 22
@divegeester saidI'm not the one bringing up beasts from the book of Revelation to dismiss the stance you've taken on something else; that would be you. Since you brought it up, what is my stance on the beast in Revelation?
It’s amusing; here’s KellyJay desperately trying to demand evidence for something explained in physics, and yet whom believes without evidence that the seven-headed beast in Revelation is a literal, real thing, and not a metaphor.
28 Apr 22
@kellyjay saidNeither you nor I knows. If your faith has come up with an explanation that you find "reasonable", so be it. If you think that it is then "reasonable" to extrapolate from that "absolute truths" like the assurance of your own immortality and my inevitable eternal torture for the "sin" of disbelief", so be it.
That’s my point where did everything come from unless you can give a reasonable explanation through something akin to natural your left with something else.