@secondson saidSame thing you and sonship are doing.
He called God a liar.
God said [through Jesus and the Apostles] that evil and sinful born again Christians will be destroyed and will not inherit the Kingdom of Christ and the Kingdom of God.
You say God is a liar.
27 Aug 19
@rajk999 saidI generally agree with a lot of this... But it is important to believe Satan literally exists. He is evil personified, and he is an angel -- he was a very high-up angel.
Satan stands in opposition to God. God represents and encourages goodness and righteousness while Satan stands for and encourages sin and evil. There are some who believe that there is an actual physical being called Satan and there are others who believe Satan is just sin in the flesh and not a real being. Either way it is good to see and to know the signs of Satanic activi ...[text shortened]... tan. If you hear these doctrines being preached in a church, my advice to you is to get up and run.
His sin was pride:
Isaiah 14:12-14:
14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Another thing:
Someone who says that you can enter the Kingdom of God while rejecting God because of good deeds could be said to be sugarcoating the consequences of the sin of rejecting God.
27 Aug 19
@philokalia saidWhether someone believes in a physical being called Satan or not is or no relevance. It is a non issue. Religions that make a big fuss about Satan is missing the mark.
I generally agree with a lot of this... But it is important to believe Satan literally exists. He is evil personified, and he is an angel -- he was a very high-up angel.
His sin was pride:
[quote]Isaiah 14:12-14:
14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
14:13 For ...[text shortened]... because of good deeds could be said to be sugarcoating the consequences of the sin of rejecting God.
Next who do you think will fare better on judgment day.
1. A man who professes to believe in God but does not follow the commandments of Christ
2. A man who professes no belief but who still follows the commandments of Christ?
27 Aug 19
@rajk999 said(1) It matters to believe in the Bible as it is stated because it is a sign of faith here as well, and also because it helps you with the issue of spiritual warfare.
Whether someone believes in a physical being called Satan or not is or no relevance. It is a non issue. Religions that make a big fuss about Satan is missing the mark.
Next who do you think will fare better on judgment day.
1. A man who professes to believe in God but does not follow the commandments of Christ
2. A man who professes no belief but who still follows the commandments of Christ?
Once something falls into the realm of whatever you want it to be, the whole edifice of theology begins to be drawn into question because we can all cherry pick whatever we want.
(2) Who sounds like more of a criminal to you?
- Someone who stole a car.
- Someone who robbed a bank.
That is, of course, with the assumption that you are saying professes no belief in reference to a Western person who knows of Christ that has consciously rejected Christ and Godhead. It can be different fo rpeople in other circumstances.
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@philokalia saidYou offer no credible reasons to believe your assertions that a creator being - if there is one - has revealed itself to you. Your affinity for ancient Hebrew mythology and its offshoot is all well and good if it works for you personally.
That is, of course, with the assumption that you are saying professes no belief] in reference to a Western person who knows of Christ that has consciously rejected Christ and Godhead. It can be different forpeople in other circumstances.
But when you talk pretentiously and narcissistically about people having "consciously rejected Christ and Godhead", all you are talking about is people who don't happen to be members of your religion.
You sound all tangled up in mundane groupism; your ideology does not sound divinely inspired at all. Your religion seems to have given you a partisan letterbox through which to peep out at the universe.
It's not just you, of course. Religionists reciting their dogmas almost always strike me as having rather squandered the capacity of the spiritual dimension of their human nature.
27 Aug 19
@philokalia saidThis seems to be your tact recently, doing the “KellyJay” and feigning some sort of indignation as an excuse to duck out of debate when you feel the pinch.
I will guarantee you one more response but if it is of a similar quality, I'm done for the thread.
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27 Aug 19
@secondson saidEnter the Ghost...
@divegeester @FMF @Rajk
The obfuscating trinity of the spirituality forum, stifling rational debate. Like a three man tag team. No substance.
@secondson saidYou seem upset again Joseph.
@divegeester @FMF @Rajk
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@divegeester saidYou like saying that don't you? It gives you a sense of relevance.
You seem upset again Joseph.
@secondson saidIt seems you don't really know what "obfuscating" means.
@divegeester @FMF @Rajk
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@rajk999 saidThat is out of your imagination not scripture.
Same thing you and sonship are doing.
God said [through Jesus and the Apostles] that evil and sinful born again Christians will be destroyed and will not inherit the Kingdom of Christ and the Kingdom of God.
You say God is a liar.
@philokalia said1. There is a good argument [from the bible] that Satan can actually be just a personification of sin in the flesh. For me it does not matter. Neither will it matter on judgment day. It is of no relevance to anyone's eternal life. Maybe in your church you people make a big deal of it and the reason is that many Christians like to blame Satan for their failings or sins. It is not going to work that way. I personally have never experienced anything that I can say that there is a physical being called Satan.
(1) It matters to believe in the Bible as it is stated because it is a sign of faith here as well, and also because it helps you with the issue of spiritual warfare.
Once something falls into the realm of whatever you want it to be, the whole edifice of theology begins to be drawn into question because we can all cherry pick whatever we want.
(2) Who sounds li ...[text shortened]...
I will guarantee you one more response but if it is of a similar quality, I'm done for the thread.
2. You are missing the point about who will fare better on judgment day. Maybe you might listen to Jesus Christ :
But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard. He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went. And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not. Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you. For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him. (Matthew 21:28-32 KJV)
For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. (Romans 2:11-13 KJV)