Satan

@rajk999 said
1. There is a good argument [from the bible] that Satan can actually be just a personification of sin in the flesh. For me it does not matter. Neither will it matter on judgment day. It is of no relevance to anyone's eternal life. Maybe in your church you people make a big deal of it and the reason is that many Christians like to blame Satan for their failings or sins. It i ...[text shortened]... e law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. [/b](Romans 2:11-13 KJV)[/i]

"There is a good argument [from the bible] that Satan can actually be just a personification of sin in the flesh."

There is not a "good argument" "[from the bible]" for anything other than that Satan is an actual being.

"I personally have never experienced anything that I can say that there is a physical being called Satan."

The only explanation for that is that you must be spiritually dead. Satan's influence in this world is clearly visible, and in this forum through your venomous hateful words and false gospel.

Besides that nobody in this forum has ever said Satan "is a physical being". It's merely an obtuse statement by you to drive an argument nobody is having, for the purpose of obfuscating rational debate.

And then you follow up your idiotic opening statement with your pet verses trying to prove something everyone already knows, making them apply to Christians no less, which only serves to prove you're nothing more than an apostle of Satan, the accuser of the brethren.

@kellyjay said
That is out of your imagination not scripture.

That's what Rajk does. He quotes scripture to support his imagination.

But it's not really an imagination. It's more of a reprobate mind in degeneration driven in the way of Cain.

Rajk spews out "a form of Godliness", but "denying the power thereof", and "ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

In his little isolated circle he's probably revered as an apostle of some sort. Rajk is a consort of those that condemn the church.

Well did the apostle Paul identify his type in 2 Timothy 3:2-4.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

We can expect nothing more than that from an unregenerate reprobate. The same for the other two spokes.

@secondson said
You like saying that don't you? It gives you a sense of relevance.

You always seem to be angry, an angry right wing American big “spiritual muscle” in a small church, blowhard.

@fmf said
It seems you don't really know what "obfuscating" means.

You don't like what it means because it sticks to you.

@divegeester said
You always seem to be angry, an angry right wing American big “spiritual muscle” in a small church, blowhard.

You always seem to project that inference when you have nothing of substance to contribute to the discussion.

@secondson said
That's what Rajk does. He quotes scripture to support his imagination.

But it's not really an imagination. It's more of a reprobate mind in degeneration driven in the way of Cain.

Rajk spews out "a form of Godliness", but "denying the power thereof", and "ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

In his little isolated circle he's probab ...[text shortened]... can expect nothing more than that from an unregenerate reprobate. The same for the other two spokes.

I condemn evil and false doctrines in the church. You and sonship encourage and condone it.

@rajk999 said
1. There is a good argument [from the bible] that Satan can actually be just a personification of sin in the flesh. For me it does not matter. Neither will it matter on judgment day. It is of no relevance to anyone's eternal life. Maybe in your church you people make a big deal of it and the reason is that many Christians like to blame Satan for their failings or sins. It i ...[text shortened]... e law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. [/b](Romans 2:11-13 KJV)[/i]

(1) OK. I am not sure what it is. Feel free to make the argument that is the case or not.

I think it seems quite clear that he is a real being -- and if he isn't, that would mean that huge swathes of the Bible can also be interpreted in light of all these verses just being purely figurative.

An interesting point about experiencing something like Satan in the universe... You've never experienced anything like that that would imply that there is such a being, eh?

Have you ever felt, say, a godly presence?

(2) Honestly,

For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

Doesn't this sound like it is saying that the harlots and publicans who believed fared better than who didn't believe?

The first part just sounds like it saying that those who are "prodigal sons" and rebel then come back are better than those who have stated that they do believe but have never actually believed in their heart (or done anything for that matter).

@philokalia said
(1) OK. I am not sure what it is. Feel free to make the argument that is the case or not.

I think it seems quite clear that he is a real being -- and if he isn't, that would mean that huge swathes of the Bible can also be interpreted in light of all these verses just being purely figurative.

An interesting point about experiencing something like Satan in the ...[text shortened]... they do believe but have never actually believed in their heart (or done anything for that matter).

What is it with Christians? The passage says REPENTED, and yet you only saw the word believed. Repented , Google it.

There are many passages condemning belief with the mouth, or belief without action. Belief on its own is worth nothing.

@rajk999 said
I condemn evil and false doctrines in the church. You and sonship encourage and condone it.

Name the church, quote the doctrine from the church! Your imagination is where you get those things you accuse others of, because you cannot find them in reality.

@rajk999 said
What is it with Christians? The passage says REPENTED, and yet you only saw the word believed. Repented , Google it.

There are many passages condemning belief with the mouth, or belief without action. Belief on its own is worth nothing.

Uhhhh

For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

Believed is right there my man

@philokalia said
Uhhhh

For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

Believed is right there my man

I did not say it was not there. There is a more important word there which you ignored. Belief is pointless unless there is repentance. let me know if you need me to prove that from the bible.

@Rajk999

You will be punished but you will still get eternal life ... Its the doctrine of Satan. If you hear these doctrines being preached in a church, my advice to you is to get up and run.

If you hear someone quote this passage you have no need to run. Rather praise God and open up the Bible yourself and read it FOR yourself. It is not a doctrine of Satan but the word of God.

"The work of each shall become manifest; for the day shall make it known, because it is revealed by fire, and the fire itself will test each one's work, of what sort it is.

If anyone's work which he has built upon the foundation remain, he shall receive a reward.

If anyone's work shall be consumed, he shall suffer loss, but he shall be saved, yet so as through fire." (1 Corinthians 3:13-15)

@sonship said
@Rajk999

You will be punished but you will still get eternal life ... Its the doctrine of Satan. If you hear these doctrines being preached in a church, my advice to you is to get up and run.

If you hear someone quote this passage you have no need to run. Rather praise God and open up the Bible yourself and read it FOR yourself. It is not a doctrine of ...[text shortened]... l suffer loss, but he shall be saved, yet so as through fire." (1 Corinthians 3:13-15) [/b] [/quote]

Why did Satan enter your heart and make you twist the bible by omitting the very next two verses, that speak of the destruction of evil Christians who defile themselves? Your heart is weak and your mind is not with Christ and the Apostles, otherwise you would faithfully quote their writings. Your end will be according to your evil works and deceitfully preaching sonship. Beware.

@rajk999 said
Why did Satan enter your heart and make you twist the bible by omitting the very next two verses, that speak of the destruction of evil Christians who defile themselves? Your heart is weak and your mind is not with Christ and the Apostles, otherwise you would faithfully quote their writings. Your end will be according to your evil works and deceitfully preaching sonship. Beware.

You are going to charge someone for twisting the Bible by omitting text, really after what you are doing in the other thread we are talking in?