Scripture

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Really? Well, firstly, it would be wise IMO to remember that this 'book' is actually not a single book as such but rather a collection of loosely related 'bookettes'. Secondly, I would always advise one treats data sources sceptically until you are able to independently verify information contained therein. Thirdly, if a data source attempts to self ...[text shortened]...

That said, I would strongly suggest you don't listen to me. Figure it out for yourself.

Like I didn't "remember" there are 66 books in the Bible ?

The connection is not "loose". The connection is that among the multitudes of writings by men these had the recongnition of inspiration and divine authority eventually.

The Bible is not a loose scrapbook. That is the assumption of the unbeliever.

Originally posted by jaywill
Like I didn't "remember" there are 66 books in the Bible ?

The connection is not "loose". The connection is that among the multitudes of writings by men these had the recongnition of inspiration and divine authority eventually.

The Bible is not a loose scrapbook. That is the assumption of the unbeliever.

Well of course you are obliged to take that position as to see it otherwise would challenge the assumptions on which your belief is based.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Well of course you are obliged to take that position as to see it otherwise would challenge the assumptions on which your belief is based.

Well of course you are obliged to take that position as to see it otherwise would challenge the assumptions on which your belief is based.

And it is also quite easy for me to say to you - vica versa.

Originally posted by jaywill

Well of course you are obliged to take that position as to see it otherwise would challenge the assumptions on which your belief is based.

And it is also quite easy for me to say to you - vica versa.

Well, easy to say I suppose, although in fact I don't have much in the way of beliefs. I do believe that your version of god is pretty much nonsense though, I'll give you that much.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
Well, easy to say I suppose, although in fact I don't have much in the way of beliefs. I do believe that your version of god is pretty much nonsense though, I'll give you that much.

Your opinion is irrelevant and irrational and not science. HalleluYah !!! 😏

Originally posted by rwingett
I think you're right. If Jesus had thought that a bible was so important, you'd think he'd have written it (or dictated it) during his own lifetime. The fact that he didn't indicates to me that he did not endorse the concept of a bible. As it is, it's nothing more than a concretization of a bunch of things that Jesus probably never said in the first place.

Another way to look at it is that any baffoon can sit down and write a Bible Joseph Smith or Mohammad style. What is more telling, I think, is someone who lets others write about him. After all, when you go to an interview, they ask for references and not so much on how you wish to present yourself. Jesus even referenced the prophets as evidence as to who and what he was all about.

What prophets wrote about Joseph Smith or Mohammad? :'(

Originally posted by whodey
What prophets wrote about [...] Mohammad?

According to the Islamic faith, Muhammad was the last of a series of prophets chosen by God to deliver the divine message of Islam.

Originally posted by FMF
According to the Islamic faith, Muhammad was the last of a series of prophets chosen by God to deliver the divine message of Islam.

What I mean is Jesus pointed to prophesies about his coming and life. Everyone was looking for the Messiah to come because it would have a great impact on the kingdom of God. Conversely, Mohammad also had a huge effect in the world, However, I stuggle to see any ancient prophets who spoke of him.

Originally posted by whodey
What I mean is Jesus pointed to prophesies about his coming and life. Everyone was looking for the Messiah to come because it would have a great impact on the kingdom of God. Conversely, Mohammad also had a huge effect in the world, However, I stuggle to see any ancient prophets who spoke of him.

Why would prophets have to have spoken about Muhammad? What is the objective significance of Jesus pointing to prophesies that he claimed were about him?

Originally posted by FMF
Why would prophets have to have spoken about Muhammad? What is the objective significance of Jesus pointing to prophesies that he claimed were about him?

more importantly, which turn out to have nothing to do with him and the real messianic prophecies remain unfulfilled and christianis rationalize this by saying "he'll get along with those on his second coming."

Originally posted by FMF
Why would prophets have to have spoken about Muhammad? What is the objective significance of Jesus pointing to prophesies that he claimed were about him?

Biblically, what is the point of a prophet?

A prophet is someone who revels the mind of God. The proof of this is revealed as those prophesies come to pass. In old testament times, false prophets were stoned.

So what is the mind of God? If it is to give his Son to the World to save mankind, then he would have revealed as much in prophesy. Likewise, if Mohammad were to come along and "purify" the tainted words of God then the mind of God would have probably hinted as much via prophesy.

Originally posted by whodey
Mohammad also had a huge effect in the world, However, I stuggle to see any ancient prophets who spoke of him.

I don't see how Muhammad being declared "the last prophet" by Muslims lends any credence to his/their claims to be conveying "God's instructions" any more than Jesus being declared - or declaring himself to be - the one to whom the "prophets" were referring, lends any credence to similar claims that he was delivering "God's instructions".

Originally posted by whodey

A prophet is someone who revels the mind of God. The proof of this is revealed as those prophesies come to pass. In old testament times, false prophets were stoned.

and in the new testament times, they were crucified.

Originally posted by whodey
Biblically, what is the point of a prophet?

A prophet is someone who revels the mind of God. The proof of this is revealed as those prophesies come to pass.

It's not "proof" of anything, whodey.

Originally posted by FMF
I don't see how Muhammad being declared "the last prophet" by Muslims lends any credence to his/their claims to be conveying "God's instructions" any more than Jesus being declared - or declaring himself to be - the one to whom the "prophets" were referring, lends any credence to similar claims that he was delivering "God's instructions".

Mohammad did not just come to give prophesy, he came to "purify" the corrupted word of God. Mohammad then spoke for prophets thorughout the centuries and retold what the truth about what they said.

Converstly, Christ said he came to fulfill the word of God, not to scratch it out and start over.