"Sheol"

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I know, I have been astonished for many years. I have been debating, counseling, been asked to leave a church, among other things for a long time.
Not only the hell thing, the life after death myth, the let's blame God for any disaster or disease, etc. 😠

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What about it? Maybe I can help.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
The crucifixion of Christ is the central focus of human history.

How can this be even remotely true for the countless billions of humans who have created this history and who do not share your Christian religious beliefs?

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The sun also appears to rise in the east and set in the west. That is why we have long explained it that way and still do. 😏

Originally posted by CalJust
I always thought (incorrectly, it appears) that the three-tiered universe went out with Galileo and Copernicus.

But if this 4-cell chamber is really in the centre of this planet, then at least there is respite for the poor souls there. This planet and its sun will disappear in only a few million years.

But in order to live forever, maybe the inhabitant ...[text shortened]... planet in a new galaxy? But even that will burn out. Maybe it says that in the Bible somewhere?

What makes you think the Earth and sun will disappear in a 'few million' years?

Originally posted by checkbaiter
The Greek word translated “destroy” is apollumi (#622
ἀπόλλυµι. Apollumi means “to cause or experience destruction” (BDAG). The concept
of “burning forever in hell” came into Christianity from the Greeks (and Jews like the
Pharisees who were influenced by Greek teaching going back to the time of Alexander
the Great who conquered Palestine in 333 BC). ...[text shortened]... teach the simple truth
that each person will either live forever or be destroyed, annihilated.

I do not see anything in scripture that requires "destroy" in scripture to always mean annihilated. Even the word "forever" does not have to mean infinity. 😏

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
That's not a very strong line of reasoning. There are many absurdities that it could be argued scripture doesn't rule out the possibility of. You have also never heard of the following, but by your own reasoning they are also possible because scripture doesn't definitely rule them out:

1. A secret tribe of small courgette people. (Let's call them ...[text shortened]... etc.

Scripture shouldn't be your benchmark for what is possible. Your brain should do that.

I can easily say that I do not believe in any of those things, because they are all nonsense. 😏

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I am saying I don't have enough knowledge about it to agree or disagree. For now, I am leaving the possibility open. However, in the case of billions of years of evolution, I have a definite opinion. 😏

Originally posted by sonhouse
What makes you think the Earth and sun will disappear in a 'few million' years?

OK, say about another 5 bn years, then it's fuel is used up and it becomes a white dwarf. Meant to say billion, not million, sorry.

But even 5 bn is a miniscule fraction of eternity, so the point stands.

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Maybe because its a non-issue. Have you heard of Urantia Book? Basically it sounds like fabricated stories all of which revolve around the Bible. eg they take the creation story and build a wierd but interesting story around it.

It GB gets his thrills from believing in fabricated stuff that is not in the Bible than its harmless as far as I can tell.

Originally posted by Rajk999
It GB gets his thrills from believing in fabricated stuff that is not in the Bible than its harmless as far as I can tell.

However, it does rather cast doubt upon his judgement and perceptions regarding the validity of everything else he purports to believe too. So in terms of the daily discourse that goes on here, and his contribution to it, it's not really a 'non-issue'.