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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
You should learn how to use google. It can save you time. 🙂
I don't get my belief structure from Google.

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Originally posted by divegeester
I don't get my belief structure from Google.
These are the questions I posted in the OP:

Does God view certain sins to be worse than others?
Do you believe there are 'big sinners' and 'small sinners'?
Will some people people receive a lighter punishment than others on judgement day?
What do you believe to be the criteria by which God will justify or condemn people?

I notice you haven't answered any of them.

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
These are the questions I posted in the OP:

Does God view certain sins to be worse than others?
Do you believe there are 'big sinners' and 'small sinners'?
Will some people people receive a lighter punishment than others on judgement day?
What do you believe to be the criteria by which God will justify or condemn people?

I notice you haven't answered any of them.
Yes
Yes
Don't know
Faith, obedience and good works

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Now, do you believe that unbelievers will be burnt alive in hell for eternity?

Yes or no?

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Originally posted by divegeester
Yes
Yes
Don't know
Faith, obedience and good works
Do you have any scriptural references for your beliefs? I would appreciate you sharing them. Thanks.

If people are justified by faith what happens to unbelievers?

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Do you have any scriptural references for your beliefs? I would appreciate you sharing them. Thanks.

If people are justified by faith what happens to unbelievers?
I have a lot of beliefs, which ones are you specifically interested in?

Before I reply I will expect you to provide the scripture references for you beliefs

OK?

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I would like to know from other Christians who believe the Bible to be the word of God: does God view certain sins to be worse than others? Do you believe there are 'big sinners' and 'small sinners'? Will some people people receive a lighter punishment than others on judgement day? What do you believe to be the criteria by which God will justify or condemn people? I am interested in what the Bible says on the topic.
To fixate on sin is missing the boat where it regards God, the phraisees did such things. Our God is about love and more so, but very little is discussed about that here... for whatever reason.

John 3:16
English Standard Version (ESV)
For God So Loved the World

16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Maybe a little more reflection on this truth is what is required vs. one's sins

To answer your question, this comes to mind.

Romans 3:9-31
English Standard Version (ESV)
No One Is Righteous

9 What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, 10 as it is written:

“None is righteous, no, not one;
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no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
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All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
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“Their throat is an open grave;
they use their tongues to deceive.”
“The venom of asps is under their lips.”
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“Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.”
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“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
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in their paths are ruin and misery,
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and the way of peace they have not known.”
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“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

19 Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God. 20 For by works of the law no human being[c] will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
The Righteousness of God Through Faith

21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law,

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I would like to know from other Christians who believe the Bible to be the word of God:
1. does God view certain sins to be worse than others?
2. Do you believe there are 'big sinners' and 'small sinners'?
3. Will some people people receive a lighter punishment than others on judgement day?
4. What do you believe to be the criteria by which God will justify or condemn people?
I am interested in what the Bible says on the topic.
My 2 cents
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. There is one punishment. Eternal death, however there are several levels of rewards for the righteous.
4. a. Those who do these things are just and righteous before God:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat:
I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me:
I was sick, and ye visited me:
I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
(Matthew 25:35-36 KJV)

b. Those who do not do these are condemned:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat:
I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
I was a stranger, and ye took me not in:
naked, and ye clothed me not:
sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
(Matthew 25:42-43 KJV)

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I would like to know from other Christians who believe the Bible to be the word of God: does God view certain sins to be worse than others?


Yes. On one level there is enough evidence to show this.

I learned that there are sins against God's holiness and sins against God's authority.
I believe that a sin against God's authority is more serious than one against His holiness.


Do you believe there are 'big sinners' and 'small sinners'?


According to the knowledge one had there seems to be "bigness" or "smallness" of offense with those for whom hope of correction exists.

" And the slave who knew his master's will and did not prepare or do according to his will, will receive many lashes.

But he who did not know, yet did things worthy of stripes, will receivefew stripes. But to evey one to whim much has been given, much will be required from him; and to whom much has been committed, they will ask of him all the more." (Luke 12:46,47)


This pertains to saved servants of Jesus Christ. This pertains to people for whom the question of eternal redemption and eternal life have been settled in the affirmative. This pertains to discipline of varied levels in the millennial kingdom age.


Will some people people receive a lighter punishment than others on judgement day?


Now I am going to assume you are referring to those lost forever.

My feeling is that there should be levels of punishment to those lost forever.
But I do not KNOW this and could not strongly defend it.

Having said that, I would add that eternal perdition is to be avoided completely, in total.
I think the Bible communicates eternal punishment to us so that we grasp that the ENTIRE matter needs to be avoided - period.

No one should be curious to want to GO to eternal punishment to see if there are worst results compared to better results. In its ENTIRETY it must be avoided through having our names written in "the Lamb's book of life".

That would be my fellowship on this. Some things right now God deems are none of our business.

" The things that are hidden belong to Jehovah our God; but the things that are revealed to us and our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law.' (Deut. 29:29)

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" And the slave who knew his master's will and did not prepare or do according to his will, will receive many lashes.
But he who did not know, yet did things worthy of stripes, will receive few stripes. But to every one to whom much has been given, much will be required from him; and to whom much has been committed, they will ask of him all the more." (Luke 12:46,47)

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Originally posted by leunammi
To fixate on sin is missing the boat where it regards God, the phraisees did such things. Our God is about love and more so, but very little is discussed about that here... for whatever reason.

John 3:16
English Standard Version (ESV)
For God So Loved the World

16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him ...[text shortened]... 31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law,
This statement :

..To fixate on sin is missing the boat where it regards God, the phraisees did such things

is a piece of unadulterated nonsense.

I can show you where Jesus Christ and the Apostles made far more statements condemning sin than the Pharisees.

To live righteously and to refrain from a life of worldliness and sin is what Christ and the Apostles went to great lengths to preach.

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Originally posted by Rajk999
This statement :

..To fixate on sin is missing the boat where it regards God, the phraisees did such things

is a piece of unadulterated nonsense.

I can show you where Jesus Christ and the Apostles made far more statements condemning sin than the Pharisees.

To live righteously and to refrain from a life of worldliness and sin is what Christ and the Apostles went to great lengths to preach.
So can an unbeliever refrain from a life of worldliness and sin if they don't repent and believe the gospel?

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So can an unbeliever refrain from a life of worldliness and sin if they don't repent and believe the gospel?
God / Christ will judge. I never discuss specific questions about people. I discuss Bible doctrine. Maybe that should sink in your head by now.

In any event, your definition of the gospel is different from what I believe. I believe the Gospel of Christ ie the teachings of Christ. These include His commandments which if followed gives eternal life. That is the Good News of Jesus. Follow Me and you will have eternal life.

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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I would like to know from other Christians who believe the Bible to be the word of God: does God view certain sins to be worse than others? Do you believe there are 'big sinners' and 'small sinners'? Will some people people receive a lighter punishment than others on judgement day? What do you believe to be the criteria by which God will justify or condemn people? I am interested in what the Bible says on the topic.
James 2:9-11New International Version (NIV)
9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

Does it matter if the wages of sin is death?

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Repent and follow God is better than trying to find a not so bad sin.

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Originally posted by divegeester
I've told you this already, why do you keep asking?
He hopes you will change your answer

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