"Sins" that are not in the Bible

@vivify said
You (falsely) accuse me of quoting a passage out of context, then quote a passage out of context.

Leviticus 25:42-44:

[i]42 Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves. 43 Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God.

44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you ...[text shortened]... ter is closed. There is no "fair and just" way to have slavery, despite your attempts to defend it.

Here in Exodus Jews can buy Jews as slaves - If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. (Exodus 21:2 KJV). If it is that you do not know what a Hebrew is, I can understand that.

Prisoners of war are criminals deserving death. Instead they get to live as slaves. I agree with that. Pows arose because the surrounding nations were after the annihilation of the Jews. They came to kill. They deserve death. You dont agree, thats fine.

You whole problem is that you are equating the slavery practiced in the USA with that described in the bible. Your aim is to desctedit the bible and condemn those who believe in God. I get that. But your failure to see the differences says a lot about you and ability to understand.

Slavery practiced by the USA [YOU] included without consequences
- murder
- rape
- chains
- amputation of body parts
- abuse and starvation
- separation of families

Slavery practiced in the bible [the Jews] supported none of those things and also included
- fair treatment
- wages
- release after 6 years or the year of the jubliee
- keeping families together
- humane treatment.

One is black [yours], one is white [the bible].

Cant see that ? again no problem. I understand why you are biased.
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@rajk999 said
Here in Exodus Jews can buy Jews as slaves - If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. (Exodus 21:2 KJV).

If Hebrews were allowed to be slaves, the bible would've used the word "slave", not "servant". The Bible has no problem using "slave" everywhere else; for example, when it explicitly states Israelites can't be slaves.

@rajk999 said
Prisoners of war are criminals deserving death.

Wow. And you're trying to lecture everyone on morality? Can't expect any better from someone defending slavery as "fair and just".

@vivify said
If Hebrews were allowed to be slaves, the bible would've used the word "slave", not "servant". The Bible has no problem using "slave" everywhere else; for example, when it explicitly states Israelites can't be slaves.

Maybe you should get yourself a bible and read it yourself instead of guessing. The word slave/s appears twice in the KJV, and never in Gods instructions to the Jews.

Jer_2:14 Is Israel a servant? is he a homeborn slave? why is he spoiled?
Rev_18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

@vivify said
Wow. And you're trying to lecture everyone on morality? Can't expect any better from someone defending slavery as "fair and just".

I have never lectured anyone on morality. People coming to destroy you are killers and deserve death. That is justice. Your system in your country where killers, rapists, pedophiles, and all types of deranged sickos get to walk free and continue to kill the innocent, is what you call justice.

Thieves and crooks who steal the money from the poor and needy and steal pension funds and suffer the innocent, get to live in opulence while those they wronged suffer. That is your system of justice.

Let me know if you want a more complete list of your kind of justice.

If you support that and condemn the bible, then you are similarly deranged an mentally retarded.

@rajk999 said
I have never lectured anyone on morality. People coming to destroy you are killers and deserve death. That is justice. Your system in your country where killers, rapists, pedophiles, and all types of deranged sickos get to walk free and continue to kill the innocent, is what you call justice.

Thieves and crooks who steal the money from the poor and needy and steal pension ...[text shortened]...

If you support that and condemn the bible, then you are similarly deranged an mentally retarded.

Prisoners of war aren't automatically criminals. For example: if an Israelite was captured as a POW, was he was he a criminal deserving enslavement? If an American who was drafted into war is captured, does he deserve death or enslavement?

The more Christians post, the more they prove their beliefs are abhorrent.

@vivify said
Prisoners of war aren't automatically criminals. For example: if an Israelite was captured as a POW, was he was he a criminal deserving enslavement? If an American who was drafted into war is captured, does he deserve death or enslavement?

The more Christians post, the more they prove their beliefs are abhorrent.

The ability to differentiate and understand is your failing. Slavery in the USA is not slavery in the time of the bible. I demonstrated how evil and corrupt your type is compared to the bible.

A POW in the time of the Jews came to kill and annihilate the Jews. I said nothing of American pows. I made no comment on that.

@rajk999 said
Here in Exodus Jews can buy Jews as slaves - If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. (Exodus 21:2 KJV). If it is that you do not know what a Hebrew is, I can understand that.

Prisoners of war are criminals deserving death. Instead they get to live as slaves. I agree with that. Pows arose bec ...[text shortened]... one is white [the bible].

Cant see that ? again no problem. I understand why you are biased.
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I've paraphrased slightly here, but:

Ephesians 6:5-9: Slaves should sincerely fear their masters

Exodus 21:26-27: So long as you don't blind your slave or knock out his teeth, beating them is fine.

Luke 12:47-48: If a slave fails to do something he knew he should do, beat them severely. If they didn't know they were supposed to do it, only beat them lightly. (!)

Exodus 21:20-21: So long as they don't die straight away, you can beat them so badly that they die of their wounds. That's fine. You own them.

Exodus 21:7-11: Keeping women as sex slaves is fine. If you don't enjoy them, it's ok to give them to others for the same use.

Leviticus 25:44-46: So long as they're not Hebrews, you can keep your slaves forever, and pass them on to your heirs.

Leviticus 19:20: It's ok to rape slaves, even if you don't own them.

"fair, humane treatment" my ass (which you shall not covet)

@rajk999 said
The ability to differentiate and understand is your failing. Slavery in the USA is not slavery in the time of the bible. I demonstrated how evil and corrupt your type is compared to the bible.

A POW in the time of the Jews came to kill and annihilate the Jews. I said nothing of American pows. I made no comment on that.

That's not true. The bible specifies that citizens of conquered territories should be taken as slaves.

@avalanchethecat said
I've paraphrased slightly here, but:

Ephesians 6:5-9: Slaves should sincerely fear their masters

Exodus 21:26-27: So long as you don't blind your slave or knock out his teeth, beating them is fine.

Luke 12:47-48: If a slave fails to do something he knew he should do, beat them severely. If they didn't know they were supposed to do it, only beat them lightly. ...[text shortened]... e slaves, even if you don't own them.

"fair, humane treatment" my ass (which you shall not covet)

Compared to what you British and the Americans did, thats tame. You guys really know how to abuse Africans. You want some quotes from the history records?

@rajk999 said
Compared to what you British and the Americans did, thats tame. You guys really know how to abuse Africans. You want some quotes from the history records?

I don't see how the iniquities of British and American slave traders and owners make slavery in the ancient world any less repugnant.

Also, I think you meant "knew". I hope that's what you meant. I'm sure we all have ancestors who have committed terrible deeds.

@avalanchethecat said
I don't see how the iniquities of British and American slave traders and owners make slavery in the ancient world any less repugnant.

Also, I think you meant "knew". I hope that's what you meant. I'm sure we all have ancestors who have committed terrible deeds.

Maybe they look the same to you but I would rather have lived in the time of the bible and be a slave of a God fearing Jew than be a slave of a murderous American atheist.

I meant KNOW. My ancestors were abused by the British Empire. Want some details?

@rajk999 said
Maybe they look the same to you but I would rather have lived in the time of the bible and be a slave of a God fearing Jew than be a slave of a murderous American atheist.

I meant KNOW. My ancestors were abused by the British Empire. Want some details?

I did not say they were the same, although I don't see the distinction you evidently do. Do you think that the excesses of one somehow makes the other acceptable? Do you think that slaves were not horrifically mistreated throughout history? Do you think cruelty is acceptable so long as there are rules laid down to constrain it? Do you think that slave owners in antiquity obeyed the rules laid down in your scripture? How don't you think that the correct moral course would be to simply abhor the practice altogether?

@rajk999 said
Maybe they look the same to you but I would rather have lived in the time of the bible and be a slave of a God fearing Jew than be a slave of a murderous American atheist.

I meant KNOW. My ancestors were abused by the British Empire. Want some details?

No, you meant 'knew'. Unless the men who perpetrated the crimes to which you refer are still alive?

I have studied history, I don't need you to enlighten me thank you.

@rajk999 said
Maybe they look the same to you but I would rather have lived in the time of the bible and be a slave of a God fearing Jew than be a slave of a murderous American atheist.

The slave owners were Christian. In fact, the Bible was used by American slave owners to justify slavery.

Also, those same "God fearing Jews" stoned women to death if they didn't bleed when consummating marriage.