Spirituality
25 Apr 19
@kellyjay saidThe documents were tampered with.
Tons of reasons, unlike any other person in any other belief system, Jesus' life was foretold, He came, and He came for several purposes, to show us in terms we could understand what God was like. He made claims one of which He said He was going to be killed and rise from the dead, then both of these things occurred. As I heard another say last night, people who rise from th ...[text shortened]... h it should be given a lot of thought, as everything else Jesus said, not to do so wouldn't be wise.
@sonship saidAsk him yourself.
@moonbus
[quote] Buddhism, for example, is very gentle in this matter. Buddhism does not claim that you will suffer eternal torture if you reject Buddhism. It says that there are several paths to reach the blessed state, and that it is possible to reach the blessed state here, now, in this life. No consequences, neither a promise of good ones later nor a threat of terrible ...[text shortened]... till has this desire, this craving, is he a good spiritual leader of that nation as a Buddhist monk?
@kellyjay saidThe oldest complete copy dates from the 13th c. Only fragments survive from earlier times. Plenty of opportunities to redact, mistranslate, mis-copy, delete, add, etc.
Hardly there were to many copies in to many places written in to many languages for tampering to not be spotted.
@sonship saidOh, you silly, silly Christian cult member.
@moonbus
[quote] Buddhism, for example, is very gentle in this matter. Buddhism does not claim that you will suffer eternal torture if you reject Buddhism. It says that there are several paths to reach the blessed state, and that it is possible to reach the blessed state here, now, in this life. No consequences, neither a promise of good ones later nor a threat of terrible ...[text shortened]... till has this desire, this craving, is he a good spiritual leader of that nation as a Buddhist monk?
Desire is part of human existence. Food, water and much other are fundamental to our physical existence. Excess desire is the issue which creates problems.
If you look on YouTube you can find where the Dalai Lama discusses this issue.
You may live in extremes, but Buddhism is the middle road.
@moonbus saidYou should look at the link within the thread, "Is the Bible trustworthy" at the beginning of it. You will be given much more information since It sounds like you have listen to the critics interpretation of only some the data. Try those that are on the other side of the equation and see who is more reasonable.
The oldest complete copy dates from the 13th c. Only fragments survive from earlier times. Plenty of opportunities to redact, mistranslate, mis-copy, delete, add, etc.
@kellyjay saidAs a test of your knowledge of "the other side of the equation" ~ and it will do no one any harm, least of all you ~ post a link to a video clip of documentary material on this issue that you steadfastly disagree with but which, you think, makes the case well and in the most reasonable way.
You should look at the link within the thread, "Is the Bible trustworthy" at the beginning of it. You will be given much more information since It sounds like you have listen to the critics interpretation of only some the data. Try those that are on the other side of the equation and see who is more reasonable.
@fmf saidI’m reminded of a scene in one of my favourite SiFi movies, Forbidden Planet, when Dr Morbius gives Robbie the Robot a command which goes against his fundamental programming causing him to go into the robot equivalent of apoplectic shock.
As a test of your knowledge of "the other side of the equation" ~ and it will do no one any harm, least of all you ~ post a link to a video clip of documentary material on this issue that you steadfastly disagree with but which, you think, makes the case well and in the most reasonable way.
Actually a sub-electrical dilemma
27 Apr 19
@dj2becker saidHe didn't say they were actually, he said, "Plenty of opportunities to redact, mistranslate, mis-copy, delete, add, etc."
And you know this how?
Of course that could be said about many things, no much of an argument, just enough to form an opinion.
@kellyjay saidRather than sidetracking into a discussion of whether the Bible has any more credibility than any other ancient text, let's return to the OP, shall we?
You should look at the link within the thread, "Is the Bible trustworthy" at the beginning of it. You will be given much more information since It sounds like you have listen to the critics interpretation of only some the data. Try those that are on the other side of the equation and see who is more reasonable.
Suppose some prophet, not Jesus, claims to speak with the authority of God, and he says if you don't believe what that prophet says, his God will torture you for all eternity. And now some third prophet, also not Jesus, says much the same thing. What reason can you provide not to believe all three, just to 'cover all the bases' in case at least one of them is correct?
This thread isn't about the Bible. It's about the question whether the threat of terrible, eternal punishment for not believing something is a good reason to believe it, especially when the thing we are expected to believe absolutely defies all rational explanation and experience, for example, that a man rose from the dead. And now suppose that someone proposes some equally inexplicable thing, let's say that lizard-aliens in human-like form have invaded the Earth and demand us to worship them, and says 'if you don't believe this, you will be tortured eternally in a lake of fire.' Is it rational to believe this?!