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Speaking in Tongues/Praying in the Spirit.
There is a great deal of error/controversy on this matter.
Without getting into a lot of bible verses,translation errors,etc. here is my take on the matter.And not in any order.
1. SIT is the outward manifestation of the holy spirit within a Christian.
2. SIT is for private prayer use, except in church where the same person interprets and it is for the edification of all. Otherwise if someone SIT in church and there is no interpreter?...that is why the same person interprets.
3. SIT is not a "gift" for some individuals...it is one of the nine manifestations of holy spirit, and avaliable to all Christians. A good example is a swiss army knife. It has many uses,ie. blade, file,corkscrew, etc. but it is one army knife. So is SIT, there is one gift"holy spirit" with many "operations"(9 altogether).
4. SIT is proof to the individual of the presence of holy spirit within. But to those who do not SIT it does not mean they are not saved, only that they have not been taught in spiritual matters.
5. SIT is perfect prayer, praying when we do not know/how what to pray for, it is a message to God and is always edifying to the speaker, gives us strength, reassures us, and many other benefits.
6. SIT is not from satan. Demons cannot SIT. Someone can be living in sin,ie. homosexual, adultry, etc. and still SIT...
7. SIT is done by the individuals free will,ie. he moves his lips, tongue, mouth, etc., but the spirit puts the words there. One does not have to be good/perfect to SIT, only believe.
SIT, Tongues with interpretation and prophecy are done by frewill at any time.
The other six are only at God's discretion. Word of knowledge, discerning of spirits, etc.
30 Oct 05
Originally posted by checkbaiterSIT, Tongues with interpretation and prophecy are done by frewill at any time.
Speaking in Tongues/Praying in the Spirit.
There is a great deal of error/controversy on this matter.
Without getting into a lot of bible verses,translation errors,etc. here is my take on the matter.And not in any order.
1. SIT is the outward manifestation of the holy spirit within a Christian.
2. SIT is for private prayer use, except in church where ...[text shortened]... me.
The other six are only at God's discretion. Word of knowledge, discerning of spirits, etc.
The other six are only at God's discretion. Word of knowledge, discerning of spirits, etc.
You mean that the other way around don't you?
God discretion for SIT and interpretation, working with our free will,
but only when God has something to say to the body, not at any
time we want God to speak to us.
The other I agree with we pray when we pray.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayNo, the first three are called "worship manefestations". They are done by the individuals free will. It is not "revelation" it is "inspiration". SIT is for the most part for private prayer use. Iterpretation, and prophecy is always directed at the body of believers. It is always uplifting, comforting, etc.
[b]SIT, Tongues with interpretation and prophecy are done by frewill at any time.
The other six are only at God's discretion. Word of knowledge, discerning of spirits, etc.
You mean that the other way around don't you?
God discretion for SIT and interpretation, working with our free will,
but only when God has something to say to the body, not at any
time we want God to speak to us.
The other I agree with we pray when we pray.
Kelly[/b]
Prophecy is always exhortational and not reproof. That is the difference here.
The message type(reproof,etc.) is prophecy from the office of a prophet. This is a "gift" Ministry of which there are five found in Ephesians.This would be by "revelation".
Eph 4:11-13
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,
12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ,
13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;
(NKJ)
30 Oct 05
Originally posted by checkbaiterI honestly think we agree, perhaps my question wasn't worded the
No, the first three are called "worship manefestations". They are done by the individuals free will. It is not "revelation" it is "inspiration". SIT is for the most part for private prayer use. Iterpretation, and prophecy is always directed at the body of believers. It is always uplifting, comforting, etc.
Prophecy is always exhortational and not ...[text shortened]... he Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;
(NKJ)
right way to make myself understood.
As I read your post it sounded like with our free will we speak in
tongues, we can have another interpet it when ever we want to
hear from God. This puts us in contol of God, what I'm saying
that only happens when God has something to say to us, not that
we want to hear from God.
The other examples of prayer in the Spirit are just that, as
we pray.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayAs I read your post it sounded like with our free will we speak in
I honestly think we agree, perhaps my question wasn't worded the
right way to make myself understood.
As I read your post it sounded like with our free will we speak in
tongues, we can have another interpet it when ever we want to
hear from God. This puts us in contol of God, what I'm saying
that only happens when God has something to say to us, no ...[text shortened]... hear from God.
The other examples of prayer in the Spirit are just that, as
we pray.
Kelly
tongues
Yes, correct here we agree.
we can have another interpet it when ever we want to
hear from God.
No, the same person interprets. But this is to be done in the church for the benefit of all....of course it can be abused/used wrongly.
This puts us in contol of God, what I'm saying
that only happens when God has something to say to us, not that
we want to hear from God.
It would be silly to think we would be in control of God. I think what you are saying is ...can I interpret and prophecy at home alone?...my answer would be yes, but this is out of order. And remember it is not revelation but inspiration. There is a difference.
Paul reproved the Corinthian church for speaking out of order...
1 Cor 14:16-17
16 Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say "Amen" at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say?
17 For you indeed give thanks well, but the other is not edified.
(NKJ)
The above is someone speaking in tongues without interpretation.
1 Cor 14:27-28
27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret.
28 But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God.
(NKJ)
That is the same person. There are those who SIT and don't believe sufficiently to interpret. I have heard in churches someone SIT and another interpret. But in essence what is happening is someone spoke in tongues and another simply gave a word of prophecy. It is the same kind of message. The tongues part is only for a sign to unbelievers...interpretation/prophecy is basically the same.
1 Cor 12:7-12
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:
8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit,
9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit,
10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
(NKJ)
I know these phrases "to another" sound like another person, but it is not....there is a study involved and revolves on...
1 Cor 12:7
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:
(NKJ)
..."to each one" or "ones own" I will find the study if you would like, but it will take me some time.
30 Oct 05
Originally posted by Bosse de NageStill he talking to GOD. If he living in sin, GOD'S not listenning.
OK, I guess you don't know what you're saying when you talk like that though?
I know a guy who learnt how to speak in tongues when he was a reborn Christian. Now he is a hedonistic homosexual, but he can still speak in tongues when he wants to as a party trick.
30 Oct 05
Originally posted by Bosse de NageSpeaking in tongues at times is a personal Conversation between, the speaker and God. Also as when it was first started, it was not gibberish. The Speaker, is able to speak, in Languages they have not learned.(English, French,Greek, Hebrew, and etc..........)
What's it good for?
30 Oct 05
Originally posted by aardvarkhomeA great part of Europe has lost it's zeal for The Salvation of JESUS CHRIST.
Whats that all about then?
In the UK most people would refer to speaking in tongues with a shrug of the shoulders and a wry smile.
In the US you seem to take it seriously. Is it a real phenomenon or are people just putting it on?
31 Oct 05
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI am sorry if I got it the wrong way. I know what I am talking about. And maybe I just do not know how to explain that is all. You are not the one to judge me whether I know anything or not!
OK, I guess you don't know what you're saying when you talk like that though?
I know a guy who learnt how to speak in tongues when he was a reborn Christian. Now he is a hedonistic homosexual, but he can still speak in tongues when he wants to as a party trick.
