subjective science

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Based on what?

I think the reason man spoils everything he is in, is because of his sin nature. Man can murder supporting prolife stance, law enforcement commit crimes, we condemn others for things we do, put one above another for money, skin color, how much we can get out of them to advance ourselves, we will lie on forms to get larger refunds, hold ba ...[text shortened]... ou can not abide them do you hold anyone to anything? If so do you think it is ugly when you do?

Edit: I think... ...we could pay.


“Sin nature” is non-existent. Existent is the nature of the mind.
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Originally posted by @kellyjay
Based on what?

I think the reason man spoils everything he is in, is because of his sin nature. Man can murder supporting prolife stance, law enforcement commit crimes, we condemn others for things we do, put one above another for money, skin color, how much we can get out of them to advance ourselves, we will lie on forms to get larger refunds, hold ba ...[text shortened]... ou can not abide them do you hold anyone to anything? If so do you think it is ugly when you do?

Edit: Actually having a standard that doesn't bend due to our lust, our greedy nature doesn't strike me as something bad. You think speed limits should be done away with? How about standards in science for sorting out good findings or bad?


Standards are a product of our consensus alone. They are neither a product of a divine apocalypse, nor have they inherently a specific substance that turns them into absolute epistemic objects😵

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Based on what?

I think the reason man spoils everything he is in, is because of his sin nature. Man can murder supporting prolife stance, law enforcement commit crimes, we condemn others for things we do, put one above another for money, skin color, how much we can get out of them to advance ourselves, we will lie on forms to get larger refunds, hold ba ...[text shortened]... ou can not abide them do you hold anyone to anything? If so do you think it is ugly when you do?

Edit: Laws were made for the lawless and standards to identify what is good from bad. If you can not abide them do you hold anyone to anything? If so do you think it is ugly when you do?


I am doing what I consider righteous according to my own evaluation of the mind, and I know the products of my evaluation are not some sort of “absolute truth” but simply mind-depended choices of mine. No divine intervention. I hold myself fully responsible for whatever I do.

An example: Sharia is a legitimate law in some countries. I would never abide to this law and I would break it in every occasion. If I was forced to live in a country ruled under the pseudo-law known as Sharia and were unable to escape from there, I would be a criminal big time giving no dime for that perverted sense of “good” and “bad”, soon arrested and executed. No big deal😵

Originally posted by @black-beetle
For the time being, nobody can tell what really happened: the religious beliefs are not tenable, while the scientists simply come up with viable scientific theories of reality. However, the religious views are inferior to the scientific theories. The theory of evolution is more viable than the religious core beliefs because, for one, it does not requir ...[text shortened]... regards this matter is the following:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5627087/
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You cannot say religion isn't tenable, you can say you don't believe in them, but with God
all things are possible. Take God out of the equation than you can worry about what is and
is not tenable, because then you have to worry about odds and possibilities. God removes
the needs for such things since He spoke the universe into being and maintains total
control over it all.

If you want to look at things only through the eyes of what is tenable, then I think what is
all around you is not here on its own.

Everything from nothing seems very untenable to me.

Originally posted by @black-beetle
Edit: Based on what?

Based on the fact that the dichotomy between the persons which are to Christians either “brothers” or “children of Satan”, is clearly a product grounded on a religious blind belief😵

We either are sinners saved by God or not.
God doesn't pick and choose among us, like some here declare, what He has done is
condemn the whole. So we all start off as condemned yes, reason being we are all
sinners, and from there we either come to God or we do not when God calls us. You are
no different than I am. On my own, in my own righteousness, throughout my whole life I
could be the worst one here. It isn't my righteousness that matters but the blood of Jesus
Christ on my life, not my special place on the earth as one of God's hand picked good
ones. Who so ever will, matters, those He foreknew.

Originally posted by @black-beetle
Edit: I think... ...we could pay.


“Sin nature” is non-existent. Existent is the nature of the mind.
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We disagree.

Originally posted by @black-beetle
Edit: Actually having a standard that doesn't bend due to our lust, our greedy nature doesn't strike me as something bad. You think speed limits should be done away with? How about standards in science for sorting out good findings or bad?


Standards are a product of our consensus alone. They are neither a product of a divine apocalypse, nor have they inherently a specific substance that turns them into absolute epistemic objects😵

So when God says sinners sin, and are therefore not worthy of His Kingdom you agree He
would have that right? Then when God takes our sins upon Himself as a living sacrifice to
pay for those sins of ours to justify the guilty, and those that accept His Work can receive
it is still a standard. You not liking it doesn't alter the fact it is a standard that God uses for
us, we belong to Christ in Christ, cleaned by His blood, or we are outside of Christ and
as such scatter those that would come to Him by a godless example.

Originally posted by @black-beetle
Edit: Laws were made for the lawless and standards to identify what is good from bad. If you can not abide them do you hold anyone to anything? If so do you think it is ugly when you do?


I am doing what I consider righteous according to my own evaluation of the mind, and I know the products of my evaluation are not some sort of “absolute truth” bu ...[text shortened]... no dime for that perverted sense of “good” and “bad”, soon arrested and executed. No big deal😵

You are your own standard and you judge the world by it, not being the creator of it, it
seems you really do have a high opinion of yourself. Taking responsibility for one's own
actions is good, I'll give you that. I'm not sure where you could come up with a word as
perverted sense of good and bad, if there isn't one that everyone are all held too regardless
of what nation we live in or culture.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
How could you prove that evolution does not occur as a result of an intelligent mechanism put in place by supernatural intervention?

Are you saying the scientists in the lab are not using 'intelligent intervention' in their lab experiments?

The scientists use the lab according to specific frameworks and setups derived from specific hypotheses introduced from various scientific fields, in order to see, test and evaluate whatever takes place during their experiments and find out what exact provisions actually happen. There is no such a thing as “intelligent intervention” the way it is understood in the context of the pseudoscientific theory of “Intelligent Design”.

I inhale air. Air is out there for specific reasons, it is not there because it occurred as a result of an intelligent mechanism put in place by supernatural intervention. How do I test this evaluation of mine? By means of using biological evidence, and also evidence grounded on the Rock Record. I do not evaluate as “evidence” the religious superstitions.
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Originally posted by @kellyjay
You cannot say religion isn't tenable, you can say you don't believe in them, but with God
all things are possible. Take God out of the equation than you can worry about what is and
is not tenable, because then you have to worry about odds and possibilities. God removes
the needs for such things since He spoke the universe into being and maintains total ...[text shortened]... s
all around you is not here on its own.

Everything from nothing seems very untenable to me.

Whatever cannot be falsified, is not a viable theory of reality even if it contains dragons.

Nothing from everything that "is all around" exist "on its own" right and in separation from everything else.

"Everything from nothing" is not tenable. "Everything" is a product of causes and conditions😵

Originally posted by @kellyjay
We either are sinners saved by God or not.
God doesn't pick and choose among us, like some here declare, what He has done is
condemn the whole. So we all start off as condemned yes, reason being we are all
sinners, and from there we either come to God or we do not when God calls us. You are
no different than I am. On my own, in my own righteousness, th ...[text shortened]... the earth as one of God's hand picked good
ones. Who so ever will, matters, those He foreknew.

I do not accept the religious belief that we are all sinners saved by G-d😵

Originally posted by @kellyjay
So when God says sinners sin, and are therefore not worthy of His Kingdom you agree He
would have that right? Then when God takes our sins upon Himself as a living sacrifice to
pay for those sins of ours to justify the guilty, and those that accept His Work can receive
it is still a standard. You not liking it doesn't alter the fact it is a standard tha ...[text shortened]... we are outside of Christ and
as such scatter those that would come to Him by a godless example.

I discard all kinds of the so called "divine apocalypse", all religious views and dogmas included😵

Originally posted by @kellyjay
You are your own standard and you judge the world by it, not being the creator of it, it
seems you really do have a high opinion of yourself. Taking responsibility for one's own
actions is good, I'll give you that. I'm not sure where you could come up with a word as
perverted sense of good and bad, if there isn't one that everyone are all held too regardless
of what nation we live in or culture.

I am aware of the fact I am fallible, so I have not a high opinion of myself.
A high opinion of one's self has one who believes blindly that acts according to a supernatural entity's infallible will and therefore his actions are fully justified and absolutely right😵

Originally posted by @kellyjay
You are your own standard and you judge the world by it, not being the creator of it, it
seems you really do have a high opinion of yourself. Taking responsibility for one's own
actions is good, I'll give you that. I'm not sure where you could come up with a word as
perverted sense of good and bad, if there isn't one that everyone are all held too regardless
of what nation we live in or culture.

Edit: I'm not sure where you could come up with a word as
perverted sense of good and bad, if there isn't one that everyone are all held too regardless of what nation we live in or culture.


We are still not at the point of a global, full consensus as regards this matter, but at least we have the International Court and the International Law, which is not a product of a divine intervention but a product of our collective subjectivity😵

Originally posted by @black-beetle
The scientists use the lab according to specific frameworks and setups derived from specific hypotheses introduced from various scientific fields, in order to see, test and evaluate whatever takes place during their experiments and find out what exact provisions actually happen. There is no such a thing as “intelligent intervention” the way it is under ...[text shortened]... ce grounded on the Rock Record. I do not evaluate as “evidence” the religious superstitions.
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You are doing two things at once here, declaring what is not true, while at the same time telling how things are setup to view them in the way you want to see them.

Nothing circular about that! Specific frame work reminds me of your test tubes, you put in what, while excluding what you don't.

You also only entertain what you want to acknowledge.