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Originally posted by @black-beetle
The link you posted directs to a letter sent to Iowa State Daily Media Group (“an independent, student-run, non-profit organization owned and operated by students for the students, faculty, staff and alumni that make up the ISU community&rdquo😉 by a student named Jonathan Bracewell (a Junior, whose disciple is Political Science). Well, if you share Mr Jonat ...[text shortened]... ts to the advancement of our current scientific understanding as regards the origin of life.
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Do you disagree that a methane-ammonia-reducing atmosphere would be fatal to life-forms?

Also would you care to explain how the jump is made from amino-acids to life? And how this somehow involves the scientific method?

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Originally posted by @sonhouse
What you don't seem to WANT to understand is prebiotic molecules will react with UV or heat in the right environment and further, those changes could be called experiments, non intelligent experiments but taking place all over early Earth and in numbers of quadrillions or quintillions each year and the random build up of more complex molecules over eons of ...[text shortened]... its a mud puddle with some organic molecules and out pops a mouse.
Not quite the way it works.
What you don't seem to WANT to understand is the creation of complex RNA type molecules by chance is all wishful thinking and has never been demonstrated or observed so it is not Science.

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Originally posted by @dj2becker
Do you disagree that a methane-ammonia-reducing atmosphere would be fatal to life-forms?

Also would you care to explain how the jump is made from amino-acids to life? And how this somehow involves the scientific method?
Read again my post to which you replied; not only you have not the slightest clue as regards the Miller-Urey experiment, you also pay no attention to what you read.

Kindly please read once more at that post of mine the three reasons why Mr Bracewell's assumptions are false, and come again😵

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Originally posted by @black-beetle
Read again my post to which you replied; not only you have not the slightest clue as regards the Miller-Urey experiment, you also pay no attention to what you read.

Kindly please read once more at that post of mine the three reasons why Mr Bracewell's assumptions are false, and come again😵
So now I don't have the slightest clue about the experiment because I asked you a question that you keep on dodging. Good to know. 😵

Maybe you should educate yourself on the topic before you respond again:

https://evolutionnews.org/2012/12/top_five_probl/

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Originally posted by @dj2becker
What you don't seem to WANT to understand is the creation of complex RNA type molecules by chance is all wishful thinking and has never been demonstrated or observed so it is not Science.
Clearly pinning reality on divine intervention is not wishful thinking.

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Originally posted by @apathist
Clearly pinning reality on divine intervention is not wishful thinking.
It's just a matter of where you put your faith.

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Originally posted by @dj2becker
It's just a matter of where you put your faith.
Yes. And why you put your faith there. Does lightning happen because the gods are angry, or is there a better way to understand it?

Sacrificing virgin females does stop the eclipse, so I guess your camp wins.

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Originally posted by @apathist
Yes. And [b]why you put your faith there. Does lightning happen because the gods are angry, or is there a better way to understand it?

Sacrificing virgin females does stop the eclipse, so I guess your camp wins.[/b]
Why do you think putting your faith in nothing is better than putting your faith in God?

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Originally posted by @black-beetle
Edit: "When you find yourself in dispute with non like minded people who do not hold to your way of looking at things, is it the largest group that matters, those that agree with you, how do you know then?"

Realizing that sensemaking is the basis of knowledge, I know whatever I know because prior to this epistemic level I did my chores.
When I do m ...[text shortened]... ect God since He is "the" authority over all.

You are right, Kellyjay. This is how I see it😵
You submit you know what happens millions/billions of years ago do you not when it comes
to the formation of life and some other things?

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Originally posted by @apathist
Yes. And [b]why you put your faith there. Does lightning happen because the gods are angry, or is there a better way to understand it?

Sacrificing virgin females does stop the eclipse, so I guess your camp wins.[/b]
Why do you think putting your faith in nothing is better
than putting your faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster??

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Originally posted by @dj2becker
Why do you think putting your faith in nothing is better than putting your faith in God?
You beat me to it!

But we have him in a corner now!

Do you think he will acknowledge the existence of our deities?

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Originally posted by @dj2becker
So now I don't have the slightest clue about the experiment because I asked you a question that you keep on dodging. Good to know. 😵

Maybe you should educate yourself on the topic before you respond again:

https://evolutionnews.org/2012/12/top_five_probl/
You asked me these two questions:
"1. Do you disagree that a methane-ammonia-reducing atmosphere would be fatal to life-forms?
2. Also would you care to explain how the jump is made from amino-acids to life? And how this somehow involves the scientific method?"

Mind you, you had already ask me those two questions as a response to my post that contained my answer as regards these two questions. At that post I told you the reason why Mr Bracewell's confidence on Mr Scott M. Huse's mumbo-jumbo is not justified; I also told you that Mr Bracewell's assumptions are untenable for three reasons.

Then you, instead of proving that Mr Scott M. Huse is not a pseudoscient who is preaching Creationism, you come again with your above mentioned at this very post of mine question #1, which is grounded on Huse's delusions (for it corresponds to the point #3 of Huse's pseudotheory as is presented at that ultra scientific letter Mr Bracewell sent to Iowa State Daily).

As regards your above mentioned question #2 at this very post, you just rephrase Mr Bracewell's point #2 as he expressed it at that letter he sent to ISD, to which I have already reply too.

So, dj2becker, not only you do not have the slightest clue as regards the exact nature and the consequences of the Miller-Urey experiment, you also suffer of an inability to concentrate and an inability to come up with accurate conclusions. In addition, you keep up using pseudoscientific sources and you cultivate the obsession that "I keep on dodging". Interesting😵

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Originally posted by @kellyjay
You submit you know what happens millions/billions of years ago do you not when it comes
to the formation of life and some other things?
I submit my everchanging, subjective, fallible knowledge on what happened millions/ billions of years ago is based on viable, scientifically accepted theories of reality.

I do not say that this knowledge of mine is objective in some sort different than our collective subjectivity, or that is written in stone, or that is some kind of absolute truth, or that is a result of some sort of supernatural intervention, or that it is a product of some kind of divine will.
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Originally posted by @black-beetle
I submit my everchanging, subjective, fallible knowledge on what happened millions/ billions of years ago is based on viable, scientifically accepted theories of reality.

I do not say that this knowledge of mine is objective in some sort different than our collective subjectivity, or that is written in stone, or that is some kind of absolute truth, ...[text shortened]... some sort of supernatural intervention, or that it is a product of some kind of divine will.
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Yet you only trust what is acceptable according to specific peramaters which is treating that filter as important as doctrine. Granted you accept it can change if you see something new that warrants a change. This does however keep some things out of your acceptable filter that may be true nonetheless. This is faith in your process since all things acceptable must be processed properly to be acceptable.

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Originally posted by @dj2becker
Why do you think putting your faith in nothing is better than putting your faith in God?
I don't put my faith in nothing. And I love shiva and zeus.

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