23 Sep 14
Originally posted by FMFYou do understand I will not be the mouse in the cat and mouse game you and the 'Christian' are accustomed to playing, do you not?
You have been evading the question for several pages. If you want to retract what you 'revealed' on page 12 then perhaps you should. Copy pasting any of the many evasions you have attempted in the meantime is not going to work, I don't think.
Sorry, that was a stupid question... of course you don't understand.
what was I thinking?
23 Sep 14
Originally posted by lemon limeMore evasion. 😉
You do understand I will not be the mouse in the cat and mouse game you and the 'Christian' are accustomed to playing, do you not?
Sorry, that was a stupid question... of course you don't understand.
what was I thinking?
lemon lime, you have indicated that you do not accept the Bible as evidence to support Christian doctrine. No Christian I have ever met in real life or who has posted on this forum, to the best of my memory, has ever taken such a stance. You have been dodging point blank questions about it ever since... for 6 pages or so. If it really is your stance it would be interesting to hear you explain it because, I would hazard a guess that every other Christian here would accept that the Bible is evidence supporting the doctrines they subscribe to.
23 Sep 14
Originally posted by lemon limeYou also said that "what the Bible communicates is important" - so I'm asking you what do you think the bible "communicates" that is "important" and what "evidence" do you have that it is "important", if you don't accept the evidence of the words themselves?
How I answer would depend on what you mean by "the Word of God". My answer could be yes or no, but until I understand how you personally interpret what that means I cannot give you a definitive answer.
Originally posted by lemon limeIt's a bit odd that a Christian like you would be unable to simply state whether you think the Bible is "the Word of God" or not unless you hear what someone else thinks first. Why not just answer the question "Do you believe the Bible is the Word of God?" in your own way regardless of what someone else's answer might or might not be?
How I answer would depend on what you mean by "the Word of God". My answer could be yes or no, but until I understand how you personally interpret what that means I cannot give you a definitive answer.
23 Sep 14
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Originally posted by FMFDo you two have mush for brains or what? Since when is hearsay valid evidence? The Bible is a collection of people telling the reader about something... so it's essentially hearsay. Hearsay is evidence of someone telling someone else about something; it's not evidence of the thing itself.
lemon lime, you have indicated that you do not accept the Bible as evidence to support Christian doctrine. No Christian I have ever met in real life or who has posted on this forum, to the best of my memory, has ever taken such a stance. You have been dodging point blank questions about it ever since... for 6 pages or so. If it really is your stance it would be ...[text shortened]... ristian here would accept that the Bible is evidence supporting the doctrines they subscribe to.
If you look at a map of an area you have not been to, then is that map evidence of that area? Are the objects and places listed on that map evidence of those objects and places, or will you call it 'evidence' because you have faith in the people who drew up that map? If so, then in no uncertain terms I am telling you that your faith alone is not evidence of the objects and places listed on that map.
Does this mean the objects and places on that map do not exist? No, it does not mean that. But it's stupid to be calling something 'evidence' if it's not actually evidence of what you are claiming to be true.
23 Sep 14
Originally posted by lemon limeSince time began I reckon.
Since when is hearsay valid evidence? .
It is generally inadmissible in criminal cases (but there are exceptions)
In English Law hearsay evidence is permitted in all civil cases.
So what are the Rules of the RHP Spirituality Court?
Did you get to write them?
23 Sep 14
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Originally posted by lemon limeEvidence is an indication that makes something evident (to someone); a basis for belief or disbelief; and knowledge or information on which to base belief. Evidence is "the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid" or "anything presented in support of an assertion" [wiki].
Do you two have mush for brains or what? Since when is hearsay valid evidence? The Bible is a collection of people telling the reader about something... so it's essentially hearsay. Hearsay is evidence of someone telling someone else about something; it's not evidence of the thing itself.
If you look at a map of an area you have not been to, the ...[text shortened]... g something 'evidence' if it's not actually evidence of what you are claiming to be true.
The Bible is made up of testimony and allegedly historical accounts. If the Bible is not "valid evidence" of Jesus rising from the dead, then on what evidence do you base your belief that he did? What other evidence of him rising from the dead exists aside from the evidence laid out in the Bible?
23 Sep 14
Originally posted by lemon limeOf course you don't have to answer my question but that doesn't stop me repeatedly asking it in order to highlight you evasion.
Do you two have mush for brains or what? Since when is hearsay valid evidence? The Bible is a collection of people telling the reader about something... so it's essentially hearsay. Hearsay is evidence of someone telling someone else about something; it's not evidence of the thing itself.
If you look at a map of an area you have not been to, the ...[text shortened]... g something 'evidence' if it's not actually evidence of what you are claiming to be true.
🙂
24 Sep 14
Originally posted by FMFNo, I do not believe there is no valid evidence that Jesus said any of the things that Christians believe he said.
Do you believe there is no valid evidence that Jesus said any of the things that Christians believe he said?
Do you believe there is no corroborating evidence to support anything written about in the Bible?
24 Sep 14
Originally posted by lemon limeIf so, then where exactly do you get this "valid evidence" from if you do not accept the Bible as evidence to support Christian doctrine, as you revealed to us on page 12?
No, I do not believe there is no valid evidence that Jesus said any of the things that Christians believe he said.
24 Sep 14
Originally posted by lemon limeNo, I don't see any evidence that corroborates claims in the Bible about supernatural things and about Jesus' divinity or broader claims about the wishes and deeds of the Christian God figure.
Do you believe there is no corroborating evidence to support anything written about in the Bible?
24 Sep 14
Originally posted by DeepThoughtDoes the conclusion have to be true for the evidence pointing to it to be considered evidence for it?
I'm impressed that you can ski down a slope and type at the same time.
Typically a physics book doesn't have a narrative.
In a court of law when a person gives evidence then their spoken words are the evidence. In some cases it's possible to give evidence in a written submission. The written submission would be considered to be evidence.
I sup ...[text shortened]... the conclusion have to be true for the evidence pointing to it to be considered evidence for it?
That's an interesting question. Science has a long history of coming to wrong conclusions based on good evidence. And this happens in courtroom settings as well, so I would have to say no, a conclusion doesn't have to be true for the evidence pointing to it to be considered evidence. But often times evidence doesn't actually point in the direction we think it's pointing... or a direction we think it should be pointing.