02 Apr 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI lost my belief in Christ, robbie. If you want to somehow blame the Old Testament for it, go ahead. Cite the books by all means. I welcome your analysis.
and yet the words of Christ contain many references to the Hebrew scriptures as does the New Testament and the Book of Revelation yet you never thought it prudent to look at their import except within the confines of the New testament itself? How were you supposed to evaluate it in the context of which it is set if you are determined to only look at it within the relatively small parameters of the New testament.
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02 Apr 14
One aspect of Revelation not to be overlooked is that it announced itself to be God’s final revelation about his son and the son’s final revelation [Rev.22:16]. Anyone who adds to this final revelation will come under the judgment of God [Rev.22:18,19]
"18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
So the book of Revelation serves as a convenient self-proclaimed stopping point for the evolution of the Bible, with the power of a curse.
One must wonder at the stage of development of the Bible at that time. Who had an inerrant idea of the exact composition of the Bible?
02 Apr 14
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Originally posted by FMFI am not blaming anything FMF i am simply curious as to why someone would evaluate a chapter of a book by looking at the last quarter rather than the entire book.
I lost my belief in Christ, robbie. If you want to somehow blame the Old Testament for it, go ahead. Cite the books by all means. I welcome your analysis.
02 Apr 14
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Originally posted by JS357Its a common assumption that the author was making reference to the entire Biblical cannon rather than the scroll or book of revelation when he states 'the words of this book', the implications of this and any significant conclusions that can be drawn from 'knowing the inerrant composition of the Bible', is quite profound.
One aspect of Revelation not to be overlooked is that it announced itself to be God’s final revelation about his son and the son’s final revelation [Rev.22:16]. Anyone who adds to this final revelation will come under the judgment of God [Rev.22:18,19]
"18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add ...[text shortened]... pment of the Bible at that time. Who had an inerrant idea of the exact composition of the Bible?
02 Apr 14
Originally posted by JS357No, it says that you shall not add or subtract from the book of Revelation. It says nothing about any new revelations.
One aspect of Revelation not to be overlooked is that it announced itself to be God’s final revelation about his son and the son’s final revelation [Rev.22:16]. Anyone who adds to this final revelation will come under the judgment of God [Rev.22:18,19]
"18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add ...[text shortened]... pment of the Bible at that time. Who had an inerrant idea of the exact composition of the Bible?
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Originally posted by whodeyI see a lot of Christian web sites saying that the Bible is complete. They generally say this so because Christ's work is complete and has been completely communicated in the Bible, not just because some Bible verse says so. I don't know what this has to do with there being further revelations.
No, it says that you shall not add or subtract from the book of Revelation. It says nothing about any new revelations.
But this is a little OT from the thread. Sorry about that.
02 Apr 14
Originally posted by JS357And you can probably find a lot of Christian web sites that show pictures of Adam walking with the dinosaurs as well.
I see a lot of Christian web sites saying that the Bible is complete. They generally say this so because Christ's work is complete and has been completely communicated in the Bible, not just because some Bible verse says so. I don't know what this has to do with there being further revelations.
But this is a little OT from the thread. Sorry about that.
Read what it says in Revelation. It says nothing should be added to THIS Revelation or subtraced from it.
It says what it says, you can interpret that any way you like.
03 Apr 14
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAs I said to sonship on another thread, I realized that Book Of Revelation was too much for me to swallow ~ for the reasons I gave on page 1. Then, once the credibility of the canon was dealt that fatal blow, my faith in its authenticity ~ "the entire book" ~ crumbled and disappeared. You need not feel "curious" any more. 🙂
I am not blaming anything FMF i am simply curious as to why someone would evaluate a chapter of a book by looking at the last quarter rather than the entire book.
03 Apr 14
Originally posted by FMFWhat exactly caused you to lose faith in Rev.?
I wonder if any other NT book has contributed as much to Christians questioning and then abandoning their faith as the Book of Revelation has.
Or perhaps it was only me amongst the ex-Christians here.
Over the years, there have been a few Christians here on this Forum who have expressed some reservations about it, but I cannot remember who exactly.
I've ...[text shortened]... on my travels who cited Revelation as a factor in their loss of Christian beliefs.
Thoughts?
03 Apr 14
Originally posted by JS357The bible is not complete. It can never be complete. It is a living book, and something that is living is always growing. If we think of the bible as the Word of God, as John states, then we know God never ends.
I see a lot of Christian web sites saying that the Bible is complete. They generally say this so because Christ's work is complete and has been completely communicated in the Bible, not just because some Bible verse says so. I don't know what this has to do with there being further revelations.
But this is a little OT from the thread. Sorry about that.
03 Apr 14
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Originally posted by PudgenikIf I had a vision in which Jesus told me that he wanted to add some information to the existing bible, how would I go about getting the text that I wrote canonized? What would be the procedure?
The bible is not complete. It can never be complete. It is a living book, and something that is living is always growing. If we think of the bible as the Word of God, as John states, then we know God never ends.
edit: might be worth a thread in its own right
03 Apr 14
Originally posted by FMFIn response to this post. The one thing, in my opinion, that would cause a loss of faith by many Christians. When they realize their great escape theory doesn't happen the way they preach it. The "rapture".
If we accept that a loss of Christian faith goes hand in hand with a loss of belief in the credibility of the NT [and the claims made about its content], what other NT book would you think would contribute to Christians losing their belief in the NT more than the Book of Revelation does [in my humble and as yet not corroborated opinion, at least on this thread] ...[text shortened]... s here, or perhaps empathize with someone going through a process of a loss of belief in the NT.
Many Christians have more faith in the rapture taking place before the anti-Christ comes, than they have faith in God.
What, you think I'm kidding? Ask nearly any Protestant Christian if they are going in the rapture before all "H" breaks loose.
03 Apr 14
Originally posted by PudgenikWell in my case, the claims made by the literature were no longer credible.
In response to this post. The one thing, in my opinion, that would cause a loss of faith by many Christians. When they realize their great escape theory doesn't happen the way they preach it. The "rapture".