The Book Of Revelation Effect

Originally posted by Suzianne
It's all too easy to "blame God" for the horror show called "life on planet earth". Ditto for not believing the prophecy of Revelation.

As "easy" as you claim it might be, I don't "blame God" for what you call the "horror show called life on planet earth. [In fact I don't agree with your characterization of life on earth at all.] Nor do I "blame God" for me "not believing the prophecy of Revelation". I just don't think God has revealed Himself to you. I don't believe the Book of Revelation is a revelation from God at all.

Originally posted by FMF
As "easy" as you claim it might be, I don't "blame God" for what you call the "horror show called life on planet earth. [In fact I don't agree with your characterization of life on earth at all.] Nor do I "blame God" for me "not believing the prophecy of Revelation". I just don't think God has revealed Himself to you. I don't believe the Book of Revelation is a revelation from God at all.

But do you ever characterize your disbelief as a lack of faith, as I have here?

(As clarification, I wasn't claiming that you in fact "blame God". I was just saying that it is easy to do so and that that is often a reason for people to lose their faith. What I am saying is that for the Book of Revelation to be the catalyst in losing your faith, your faith must not have been strong enough to begin with, and that, perhaps, you were simply already looking for an "out".)

Originally posted by Suzianne
What I am saying is that for the Book of Revelation to be the catalyst in losing your faith, your faith must not have been strong enough to begin with...

OK, this gets back to my OP question nicely. Say, if you heard that a fellow Christian had come to doubt the credibility of the bible account pertaining directly to the life of Jesus and to his teachings, what book or books would you assume were the ones that had been instrumental in initiating this loss of belief in the entire thing? That is the OP question after all. How strong you think, on a personal level, my faith was when I was a Christian is really neither here nor there.

Originally posted by FMF
Whether you believe I have lost my faith or whether you believe I ever had any faith in the first place is immaterial. So your question about how I exercised my faith in the past is irrelevant and of no interest to me. If you want to talk about how you exercise your faith then just go ahead and do so.

No its not irrelevant, that you cannot make the connection is not my fault. Indeed it would seem to any rational individual that what I am driving at is that you lost your faith as a direct consequence of failing to exercise it and since you have failed to tell us how you exercised it despite being asked twice I would suggest that its rather closer to the bone than some rather unconvincing reference to the book of Revelation which I and others find rather suspect.

Now if you could only tell us how you exercised your faith we should know for certain whether this failure to exercise it was a more consequential reason than some alleged distrust of the book of revelation seen from within the narrow confines of the New testament.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Now if you could only tell us how you exercised your faith we should know for certain whether this failure to exercise it was a more consequential reason than some alleged distrust of the book of revelation seen from within the narrow confines of the New testament.

"Alleged distrust"? I don't need you to believe what I have said about me finding the Book Of Revelation not credible. So your concerns about what kind of Christian I used to be are of no interest. Once again, to be clear. I don't need you to believe what I have said.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No its not irrelevant, that you cannot make the connection is not my fault. Indeed it would seem to any rational individual that what I am driving at is that you lost your faith as a direct consequence of failing to exercise it and since you have failed to tell us how you exercised it despite being asked twice I would suggest that its rather closer t ...[text shortened]... rather unconvincing reference to the book of Revelation which I and others find rather suspect.

Your being "unconvinced" and you finding my personal testimony "rather suspect" is noted. You should start a thread on how you yourself exercise your faith and how it pertains to 'True Christians'. Granted, it might be a topic that essentially comes up time and time again. I am not interested in comparing my life as a Christian to your life as a Christian. And, not being a Christian any more, it makes little difference to me now to hear your evaluation of how I exercised my faith back in the day.

Originally posted by FMF
OK, this gets back to my OP question nicely. Say, if you heard that a fellow Christian had come to doubt the credibility of the bible account pertaining directly to the life of Jesus and to his teachings, what book or books would you assume were the ones that had been instrumental in initiating this loss of belief in the entire thing? That is the OP question af ...[text shortened]... hink, on a personal level, my faith was when I was a Christian is really neither here nor there.

But that your faith had to be weak in the first place stands out to me as rather obvious. What book might have been the catalyst for such a loss of faith seems irrelevant. In fact, I cannot think of any book of the Bible that could have lead anyone with a strong faith to lose their faith. In fact, I read the Bible when I want to fortify my faith. So yeah, my conclusion must therefore be that it wasn't the Bible that lead to your loss of faith, but just that your faith was inadequate to begin with. Even robbie sees that concept. This is what leads me to believe that you were already primed to find any excuse to run down the off-ramp to "ex-Christian-hood". Blaming it on the 'outrageousness' or 'unbelievability' of the Bible seems like missing the point altogether.

Originally posted by FMF
"Alleged distrust"? I don't need you to believe what I have said about me finding the Book Of Revelation not credible. So your concerns about what kind of Christian I used to be are of no interest. Once again, to be clear. I don't need you to believe what I have said.

I have no interest in what kind of anything you used to be, I am saying that you lost for faith for failing to exercise it and as you have failed to tell us despite being asked three times I must confess that its a rather more compelling reason than some alleged distrust of the book of revelation. Likewise my theory does not need your acquiescence for its veracity.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have no interest in what kind of anything you used to be, I am saying that you lost for faith for failing to exercise it and as you have failed to tell us despite being asked three times I must confess that its a rather more compelling reason than some alleged distrust of the book of revelation. Likewise my theory does not need your acquiescence for its veracity.

You can ask me four times or five times, robbie. As you have just admitted: "I have no interest in what kind of anything you used to be...". Your lack of genuine interest in what I have shared about myself is noted.

Originally posted by FMF
You can ask me four times or five times, robbie. As you have just admitted: [b]"I have no interest in what kind of anything you used to be...". Your lack of genuine interest in what I have shared about myself is noted.[/b]

I dont need to be interested in what you used to be FMF to ascertain how you used to exercise your faith, but if you dont want to answer or someone has directed you not to answer then so be it, no one can force you to answer but until you do I am suggesting that your loss of faith was as a direct consequence of failing to exercise it as this seems to me to be a far more reasonable explanation than the one you have proffered. You need not acquiesce.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Blaming it on the 'outrageousness' or 'unbelievability' of the Bible seems like missing the point altogether.

But surely the point ~ my point ~ the point of this thread ~ is the credibility of a book or books in the Bible. You cannot, under these circumstances, declare 'blaming loss of faith on the '"unbelievability" of the Bible' to be 'missing the point altogether'. The point is credibility and its role in losing one's faith.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No its not irrelevant, that you cannot make the connection is not my fault. Indeed it would seem to any rational individual that what I am driving at is that you lost your faith as a direct consequence of failing to exercise it and since you have failed to tell us how you exercised it despite being asked twice I would suggest that its rather closer t ...[text shortened]... ed distrust of the book of revelation seen from within the narrow confines of the New testament.

Still can't leave it alone, can you?

And you dare claim that you are persecuted in this thread by virtue of your denomination. It's because you are too stupid to see when people tell you to shove off. Continuing to harass people when told rather point blank that your opinion means nothing to them is anti-social at best, robbie. And on top of that, if you had taken the first clue to stop, he wouldn't have to escalate his comments to that level in the first place. Harassing someone to prove your point? Yeah, we get it, that's your M.O. But no one likes it.

Get a freaking clue, man. You're causing your own persecution. Just stop it. Graduate out of the zoo. Join humanity.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I dont need to be interested in what you used to be FMF to ascertain how you used to exercise your faith, but if you dont want to answer or someone has directed you not to answer then so be it, no one can force you to answer but until you do I am suggesting that your loss of faith was due as a failure to exercise it as this seems to me to be a far more reasonable reason. You need not acquiesce.

Your 'alternative biography' of my life experience is noted. But I reckon your assertions are more about you and how you project yourself here than they are about an genuine exchange between us. You say you're not interested in what I used to be, and yet you ask over and over again about what I used to be. I suppose it is just you "debating" after all. Believe what you want, robbie. Put it in your 'alternative biography'. 🙂

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Aren't you the guy who claimed to go of fighting demons alongside angels?

Yes I am. But I am still no scholar. Just because I have spiritual experiences doesn't make me any greater or special than the next guy.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Still can't leave it alone, can you?

And you dare claim that you are persecuted in this thread by virtue of your denomination. It's because you are too stupid to see when people tell you to shove off. Continuing to harass people when told rather point blank that your opinion means nothing to them is anti-social at best, robbie. And on top of that, if ...[text shortened]... . You're causing your own persecution. Just stop it. Graduate out of the zoo. Join humanity.

Your outburst was hardly warranted, I am neither stupid nor antisocial nor have no clue nor have I claimed I am being persecuted nor am I harassing FMF, i genuinely think that he lost his faith by virtue of failing to exercise it but if you want me to leave then fine, adiós.