11 Nov 23
@fmf saidOh, the unmoderated irony.
Discussion, and strong opinions, about the concepts of the Trinity and eternal torture belong on this forum, and of course topics come around again and again in a cycle. Perhaps you should ignore topics you don't find interesting. If you posted as much topical stuff and started threads as divegeester does, your contribution to this forum would be fantastic. Instead, you seem content to be a heckler enamoured of your own inexhaustible umbrage.
11 Nov 23
The underage brides of the early Mormon prophets:
Joseph Smith aged 37 - married Helen Kimball 14
Brigham Young aged 42 - married Clarissa Decker 15
Lorenzo Snow aged 57 - married Sarah Jensen 15
William Woodruff aged 47 - married Emma Smith 15
A Christian religious order established and built by a group of pedophiles.
@divegeester saidThey changed their minds when Jimmy Carter threatened to remove their charitable status.
Church of LDS and racism
“Up until 1978, Mormonism's largest denomination, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) barred Black women and men from participating in ordinances of its temples necessary for the highest level of salvation, prevented most men of Black African descent from being ordained to the church's lay, all-male priesthood, support ...[text shortened]... eath, and opposed interracial marriage.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_and_Mormonism
12 Nov 23
@divegeester saidThe word paedophilia was not created until the beginning of the C20th as social values changed. At the end of the C19th, the age of consent in most U.S. states was remarkably low - 7, 10, or 12 . To characterize the Mormon marriages you listed involving girls in their mid teens in the mid-C19th as examples of pedophilia is abjectly anachronistic and ahistorical.
A Christian religious order established and built by a group of pedophiles.
12 Nov 23
@the-gravedigger saidThe LDS corporation a very odd branch of Christianity with contemporary beliefs and doctrines which need support from more than just the Bible; hence The Pearl of Great Price and indeed The Book of Mormon.
The Mormons have the largest genealogy database in the world. This is so dead people can be traced, baptised and let into heaven.
12 Nov 23
@fmf saidI don’t realise it was considered acceptable, normal, for older men to marry young girls at that time. Perhaps then the appearance of impropriety which we see now is just a matter of perspective.
The word paedophilia was not created until the beginning of the C20th as social values changed. At the end of the C19th, the age of consent in most U.S. states was remarkably low - 7, 10, or 12 . To characterize the Mormon marriages you listed involving girls in their mid teens in the mid-C19th as examples of pedophilia is abjectly anachronistic and ahistorical.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidMmm. But you are a liar.
You'll note my post on the first page has also been removed, not because I was trolling, but because I replied to Dive's trolling post before he edited it.
True story.
12 Nov 23
@divegeester saidIn 1880, the age of consent was 10 or 12 in most US states. In 1920, it was 12, 13 or 14 in many European countries.
I don’t realise it was considered acceptable, normal, for older men to marry young girls at that time. Perhaps then the appearance of impropriety which we see now is just a matter of perspective.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNonsense.
I think you hold a monopoly on lying sir.
You can't cite a single thing I have lied about here.
You, only yesterday or the day before, told a blatant petty lie about when you changed your profile.
12 Nov 23
@divegeester saidIt was more about being able to bear children.
Seems really wrong nowadays.
Can a 12 or even a 15 year old girl give informed consent to marriage.
As for consent, women -even grown ones - were still considered chattel until relatively recently.