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or beg to be mind-wiped and become Clone Christs? No thank you.
It says "He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit" (1 Cor. 6:17)
That means the essential me is mingled, interwoven with the Lord Jesus.
That means I am not replaced but it is more like I am grafted into Him.
His eternal uncreated Spitit become "mingled" with my created human spirit to be "one spirit". This is not the wiping away that you speak of of my being.
This is neither rendering me a zombie.
To "mingle" two or more things together means to combine them in such a way that they remain distinguishable in the combination. Christ does not destroy you when coming into you. In fact He said this was for a man to FIND himself. And paradoxically to refuse to let God into you is to LOSE himself.
I say it is the paradoxical opposite of how you think and what you fear.
Then Jesus said to His disciples, if anyone wants to come after Me, let him deny himself and pick up his cross and follow Me.
For whoever wants to save his soul-life shall lose it; but whoever loses his soul-life for My sake shall find it.
For what shall a man be profited if he gains the whole world, but forfeits his soul-life? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul-life?
For the Son of Man is to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will repay each man according to his doings." (Matt. 16:24) [/b]
To lose the Godless, sinful, independent Satan infested existence by saying finally "No" to it and receiving Jesus as Lord, is to FIND your soul-life. What will be washed or wiped away is all that plagues you really and causes misery to you and others in the end.
There is a "crossing" out or a wiping away or a washing away. Yes. But it is not of the soul that He created and loves unto eternity. It is the defiling element of sin which infests the fallen man like parasites.
Think of the "wiping away" as actually the removing by God of leeches covering your soul. These you have not been able to remove. Christ coming into your heart by faith can mean their stripping off. You'll find your life.
Thankyou for commenting on the copying and pasting of Jesus into people.
Like me, I hope you look into the New Testament more and consider the unfathomable love of Jesus for you and the gift of eternal life.
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@rajk999 saidQuite right, He will make His abode with you. If He hasn't made His abode with you, you don't belong to Him, it is the test of are you walking in faith.
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Utter nonsense. There is nothing said or implied that remotely resembles copying and pasting of Jesus Christ into anybody. Jesus says IF you love Him, then you will KEEP the commandments and He will make His abode with you.
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!
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@bigdoggproblem saidSince Jesus is God, He doesn't evolve while the people who are abiding in Him, and they in Him will become more like Him. Perfection doesn't evolve and God is perfect in everyway goodness, justice, holiness, harmony, and so on. Which is why the best thing God could give us is Himself.
My only question is, if there is an occasional copying error, can the Jesus within people evolve?
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My only question is, if there is an occasional copying error, can the Jesus within people evolve?
It is a good question. But I think there are TWO questions there.
1.) Can the Jesus copied and pasted into a man have errors.
2.) If He does can He change so as to correct the errors?
Have I fairly represented your two concerns? If not elaborate just a little bit more before I give my opinion.
14 Dec 19
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The "housing vessel", however, is not perfect, meaning there is some room for improvement in the combination of the two [Ctrl-V Jesus + the person he occupies].
Perhaps Inner Jesus can somehow modify his approach to better adapt his perfection with the imperfection of the housing vessel - present his holiness in a way that is a bit easier to understand, or more helpful, etc. for the human around him?
14 Dec 19
@sonship said1. In computer-land, data is stored in memory [either ROM or RAM], and there is always a chance [however slight in some cases] that the stored data gets corrupted in the transfer. There could be an electrical noise spike right as the user presses the keys, causing the data of Jesus to be altered.
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My only question is, if there is an occasional copying error, can the Jesus within people evolve?
It is a good question. But I think there are TWO questions there.
1.) Can the Jesus copied and pasted into a man have errors.
2.) If He does can He change so as to correct the errors?
...[text shortened]... rly represented your two concerns? If not elaborate just a little bit more before I give my opinion.
This could be thought of as similar to real life "copying errors" - perhaps the person presenting Jesus is doing so inaccurately, thus causing the newly minted Christian to have a flawed concept of Jesus inside of him.
2. I suppose Ctrl-V Jesus could be edited afterwards to correct any errors. However, this is not what I wish to consider. I'm more interested in an unguided evolutionary process, similar to biological evolution.
14 Dec 19
@kellyjay saidTry reading the bible. IF you keep the commandments THEN Jesus makes his abode with you.
Quite right, He will make His abode with you. If He hasn't made His abode with you, you don't belong to Him, it is the test of are you walking in faith.
2 Corinthians 13:5
Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!
14 Dec 19
@bigdoggproblem saidIf you read God’s purpose when He created man, it was that we were to be image-bearers of God, that has not changed. Which is why we are to take up our cross and follow Him, our corruption for His perfection is our sanctification. To be more like Him, it is a divine work, not a human one.
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The "housing vessel", however, is not perfect, meaning there is some room for improvement in the combination of the two [Ctrl-V Jesus + the person he occupies].
Perhaps Inner Jesus can somehow modify his approach to better adapt his perfection with the imperfection of the housing vessel - present his holiness in a way that is a bit easier to understand, or more helpful, etc. for the human around him?
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@rajk999 saidI doubt that you are a Christian, and I wonder about your hostility.
Try reading the bible. IF you keep the commandments THEN Jesus makes his abode with you.
As for the quoted utterance, you make it sound like cohabitation, or as if Jesus and the willing welcomer pick out an apartment together and maybe go to IKEA.
If you have some grudge against Christianity or some ways in which it has been presented, I commiserate to some extent, but I think you might also be missing some of the real and felt benefits that Christians experience.
Which might make your vituperations seem more bitter, envious, and destructive than perhaps you intend.
Why tear at other's beliefs if they feel happy and healthy and content, and perhaps more fully functional and beneficial in society than they might be otherwise?
Don't get lost in the weeds or the words. The words are an indication. The stories about Jesus are exemplary and indicate a way of being.
If the Way of Jesus is not for you, that's fine. I bear no stick of threat regarding imaginary losses. But is tearing away at Christians like some rabid cat really an expression of your highest potential?
15 Dec 19
@caesar-salad saidWhat planet are you from? The passage I quoted comes from the teachings of Christ and if you are indeed unaware of the corrupt nature of Christianity - the greed, utter selfishness, the gross materialism, rampant sexual immorality then you need to educate yourself.
I doubt that you are a Christian, and I wonder about your hostility.
As for the quoted utterance, you make it sound like cohabitation, or as if Jesus and the willing welcomer pick out an apartment together and maybe go to IKEA.
If you have some grudge against Christianity or some ways in which it has been presented, I commiserate to some extent, but I think you mig ...[text shortened]... ut is tearing away at Christians like some rabid cat really an expression of your highest potential?
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@rajk999 saidAt this stage I'm not sure whether you might have left out a word or left in a few typos, or whether it's rum or vodka in your drip-bag, but as a side consideration I wonder if the appeal to the ego for the self-continuation after death might have been a clever or inadvertent enticement to "get out of oneself" by way of the associated commandments.
What planet are you from? The passage I quoted comes from the teachings of Christ and if you are indeed unaware of the corrupt nature of Christianity - the greed, utter selfishness, the gross materialism, rampant sexual immorality then you need to educate yourself.
Of the recently discovered graffiti near the food court of dark matter corridor node 58A one must remain silent, but as I'm sure many know, in this existence, "silence" is something more of a Platonic ideal than something one can ever actually experience.
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Dear Sonship, thank goodness you didn't try a metaphor about Jesus being stapled into people. 😉